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The Union of the Mental and Physical Bodies

Written by:

Melanie Tucker

PSY 459- Theistic Psychology

Fall 2008 Generation 28

UHM Instructor: Dr. Leon James

 

 

The Mental World

Consciousness is one of the most important objects that people have.  It may not be a physical object, but it is what allows us to be human and to interact with others.  Everyone’s consciousness affects others around them.  Humans are all connected to each other so each decision will alter someone else’s path.  By taking away someone’s conscious, it in turn takes away their humanity, making them essentially a robot.  People are given a conscious at the time of their birth.  This stays with them for endless eternity. 

 

There are two paths we can follow with this.  The first being selfism.  This is doing things for yourself, to benefit yourself, with no thoughts of what affect it has on others around you.  This is very unfair to those around you, and it’s a “hellish” trait, hellish meaning something that is negative.  On the opposite path is the road of altruism.  This is doing whatever it may be to not only help yourself, but those around you.  In this path, you aren’t thinking of “how can I help myself”, but “how I can I make this other person benefit”.  Altruism yields “heavenly” traits.  Your decision in which one you choose will affect how your mental body will develop. 

 

The world in which we belong is based much on physicality.  In the above mentioned paragraph however, I stated that the most important aspect of being human is that we have a conscious.  This must mean that even though we tend to look at the physical, maybe there should be more attention paid to the non physical.  A way that we can experience this non physical aspect of humans is to look into dreams, or as called in theistic psychology, dream consciousness.  What we see in dreams appears real to us.  We can talk to people, pick objects up, or anything else you wish to do in dreams.  This shows that physicality isn’t that important.  Sure, our corporeal self (the part of us for instance sees a yellow pen and states it is a yellow pen) only looks to the physical.  What if you look at this pen and wonder is it really a pen, or could it be a laser pointer.  This is thinking abstractly. 

 

The physical nature of things is important to most people.  It’s hard to think beyond that and recognize there might be something more important.  We all have our own feelings (which are run by our affective organ, like the heart, endocrine system, and the reproductive glands), and we all have ideas to carry out our feeling (which are carried out by the cognitive organs, like the lungs, mouth, and vocal cords).  The affective organ and cognitive organ conjoin to form the behavior for reacting to the ideas because of the feelings you have, and this takes place in the sensorimotor organ, which is the body’s reaction to what we feel and think.  This system corresponds to our physical things like the brain, joints, and hair.  Why do we think the way we do?  What if our mental world is more important the objects we see daily?  This is the idea behind theistic psychology.  There is a presence behind of what we think.  This is called the “Divine Psychologist”, or God.  Our consciousness allows us to see and believe what we wish, but eventually through time and life obstacles, we will be able to accept spiritual (also called rational) truths.  This Divine Psychologist has a co-presence with us and helps guide our paths and choose our loves (those behaviors and ideas with which we hold onto and uphold by). 

 

The Body-Mind Union

 

Correspondences are the mental and the physical worlds matching up point by point.  For instance, we have the physical sun which gives us light and heat, and it allows objects all around us to flourish.  In the mental world, there is the “Spiritual Sun”.  The Spiritual Sun gives us what we need to survive in the mental world.  The Spiritual Sun is the ruling force of the mental world.  This is what has broken off and helped form what we are made of.  Just as there is matter that makes up everything around us, there are substances that come from the Spiritual Sun that help the mental objects survive. 

 

Below is a list of correspondences that I have seen throughout my life.  The body isn’t actually doing what the terms suggest, but it implies a mental state to the bodily form. 

Popular Body-Mind Correspondences

Body                                                   Mind

Having a stiff upper lip                       someone who is mentally strong

Having a broken heart                        being emotionally distraught

Dyeing to be first                                someone who is eager

Belly up                                               the situation went bad

Heart of gold                                       a genuine, nice person

Neoligistic body-mind correspondences

Body                                                   Mind 

Mouth of a serpent                             someone who lies and is deceitful

Like a vulture                                      a person who is mean and cruel

Crooked finger                                    someone who abuses power

 

More than One World?

 

We indeed have a physical world in which we can touch, see, and smell things around us.  In theistic psychology however, there is another world, the mental world which lies in eternity.  Having the belief that these two worlds exist is dualism.  “Substantive dualism” is believing that there are two things that make up everything, good and truth, which comes from the Spiritual Sun.   This goodness and truth equates to the rational or spiritual substances that radiate from the Spiritual Sun.  One could also say that the goodness relates to heat of the Spiritual Sun, while truth relates to the light of the Spiritual Sun.  These particles of goodness and truth form our mental world, and help supply us with feelings, which are related to the affective organ, and also these particles give us thoughts, which are related to our cognitive organ.  Substantive dualism accepts that there are two worlds, one temporal, and one eternal.  There is also the idea that there is a physical outer shell to us, but there has to also be an internal mental shell of us.   This light and heat is constantly going in and out of us, filling us with the substances to help us survive. 

 

Correspondences and Us

 

By studying the correspondences, we can help see how our mental and physical world connects and how it works together.  At birth, we are born into these two separate bodies.  The physical needs to flourish and choose between what is right and wrong so the mental body has a positive place to go to when the physical body dies.  Everything in the mental world corresponds to something in the physical world.  If we understand that there is a relationship between the mental and physical bodies, it can give us more insight to who we are and if we listen to the co-presence of God in us, we can become closer to him. 

 

Correspondences in Schools

 

If the correspondences are universal, I don’t think that they would be appropriate for a biology class, but they may have some potential in a psychology class.  The reason why I would be against it for a biology class is that I feel that biology is something that we can look at, understand, and describe.  When it comes to the point of validating if these body-mind correspondences exist, it can’t concretely be proven.  It would be hard to find a device that could properly map out what someone’s affective and cognitive organ are doing.  Unless there is a way to read minds, I think it should be kept out of biology because it would be hard to place it in the curriculum as being completely valid. 

 

On the other side of the issue, I think it could have potential in psychology classes.  Psychology is such a vast topic with many theories and oppositions to many of those theories too.  In psychology, I think there is a certain extent to which someone can assume what’s going on behind the body-mind correspondences and go with that idea.  Psychology is the study of the mind and how it works, so what better place to teach the concept of the correspondences between the mind and body! 

 

The Mental Layers

 

There are in all 12 mental layers.  The first layer is called the Spiritual Sun.  This is the source of spiritual heat, or altruism, and spiritual light, rationality.  This spiritual heat and light is what makes up everything.  Layer 2 is called “Soul from conception to birth”, or “Heaven of Human Intervals”.  The father’s semen is what makes the soul, and it’s effective at the time of conception.  This is a layer that no human could ever comprehend.  Only God recognizes it’s there.  In this layer is also where still-bourns and unborn children are.  “Soul from birth to eternity” is the next layer.  This is also kept out of the consciousness of human knowledge.  It’s created from the father’s soul that is carried within his semen.    Here is also where each individual’s uniqueness is formed.  These first three layers are all connected.  They belong to God.  Layer 1 exists outside of time and space, and therefore is eternal, having no beginning, nor no end.  .  This layer supplies what is need for layers 2 and 3 to form, the “spiritual bar code” used to make up each individual soul. 

 

The fourth layer is called the “Spiritual Mind, Celestial Layer”.  We are not able to experience this level until death of the physical body.  This layer represents the innermost layer for humans.  The “Spiritual Mind, Spiritual Layer” is the next layer.   Like the previous layer, it remains unconscious until the physical death.  Layer 6 is “Spiritual Mind, Natural Layer”, and it helps us form languages and institutions.  As with layer 4 and 5, this layer is also not recognized by us.   These layers are all related.  This is the spiritual mind.   Layers 4, 5, and 6 are all developed by what we learn from Sacred Scripture.  The first six layers are all related since layers 1-6 are in the spiritual world. 

 

Next is the “Natural Mind” layer.  This has two parts, 7i (seven internal), and 7e (seven external).  7i can be thought of as Divine speech.  We are able to relate to this layer by reading Sacred Scripture, gaining insight, or experiencing enlightenment.  7i corresponds to only that which is good.  These spiritual truths can only exist in heaven.  7e, on the other hand, is not heavenly.  This is a layer in which is hell.  In the eighth layer is where we house our hellish inherited traits.  This is yourself, as you know yourself.  The “Natural Mind, Corporeal Mind” is the layer that is closest to the physical body.  This layer looks at what can be seen concretely.  Also, hellish traits exist in Layer 9.  Each of these layers makes up the whole of the natural mind.  The difference between layers 8 and 9 and layer 7 is that the latter is developed through Sacred Scripture only, while layers 8 and 9 are gained by physical interaction with our surroundings.  The internal and external layers also exist within layers 8 and 9. 

 

The “Spiritual Body” is located in layer 10, and holds the nine layers before it.  This is a protective layer.  The “Limbus Covering” layer also holds all the previous layers.  Unlike the Soul listed previously, this layer is inherited from the mother.  This layer does not disappear at death.  Layer 12 is the “Physical Body” and is inherited from the mother after conception.  The physical body forms our natural mind by receiving sensory information.  This layer does not exist after death.   

 

Within the natural mind, there are three separate ways in which one can experience God: conscience, proof, and sacred scripture. 

 

In layer 7 (the rational mind), the conscience can relate with God by accepting that there is substantive dualism, God is true and good, and they can realize that they do in fact have an immortal self.  People in layer 7 use various types of proof to know and accept God: rational conscience, rational co-presence with God, and experiencing scientific revelations.  Layer 7 people can also experience God by understanding Divine Speech, or the Word of God. 

 

In the 8th layer (the materialistic mind), there is a different way in which God is experienced.  Within the conscience, human dignity, fairness, and a personal God is present.  Proof is expressed by historical events, miracles, and prophecies.  With sacred scripture, one accepts God through mystical correspondences with Divine Speech.  This means the person is accepting there is a presence there, but all they really know is that this presence is greater than them. 

 

Within layer 9 (the corporeal mind), conscience equates to guilt, taboos, and blood lines (accepting beliefs because the family does).  The proof in the corporeal mind is present with visions, ghosts, and talismans.  There are all physical objects that are thought to have power.  Physical events help layer 9 people experience sacred scripture.  People in this level can only see things as they seem to be, and not look within the surface of them, unlike the other 2 layers. 

 

The natural mind and the spiritual mind work hand in hand.  Layer 7i corresponds to layer 6, layer 8i corresponds to layer 5, and layer 9i corresponds to layer 4.  If layer 7i is achieved (which means the mind has begun regeneration, also known as accepting heavenly traits), this opens up layer 6 to the individual.  By going to layer 8i, it opens up layer 5.  Lastly, opening up layer 9i allows people to reach the height of the layers, which are the closest to God. 

 

 Mental Anatomy

 

The idea of having mental anatomy is a logical one since our physical body has anatomy as well.  This brings about the idea of dualism.  The body isn’t made of only one part.  We have a physical body with which we can interact with the other physical objects amongst our world, so we, in addition, also need a mental body to experience that other part of us.  The physical body and the mental body are two separate entities.  We are born with these two bodies.  The physical body is however not permanent, only temporary.  The mental body is permanent.  The mental body, which is located in layer 10, is made by the unique soul that is in layer 3. 

 

This mental is made from mental ether, which is made by the rationality truth substance that radiates from the Spiritual Sun by means of the spiritual light which holds inside spiritual heat.  Like atoms make up molecules, mental ether is the building block to all things in the mental world.  This mental ether causes our mental body to be immortal since mental ether can never disappear.  In this mental world of eternity, we are born, and we will be a part of it forever. 

 

There are three mental organs, the affective organ (A), the cognitive organ (C), and the sensorimotor organ (S).  These organs correspond to the spiritual body with the physical body.    The affective organ in the spiritual body works with the circulatory system of the physical body.  Feelings and willings help the affective organ flourish.  Feelings allow us to recognize things such as our needs, desires, and interests, while willings help us with intensions and motives.    The cognitive organ corresponds to the respiratory system in the physical body.  This organ is related to the thoughts we have.  Thoughts help us formulate our feelings.  These corresponding parts help us experience things such as logic, concepts, and predictions.    This system is the circulatory system.  The sensorimotor organ corresponds to the nervous-skeletal system.  This involves using the five senses to experience the environment that our physical body is in.  Seeing, dancing, and hearing are all examples of these group of systems.  It’s important to keep in mind the distinctions between the two separate bodies.  A, C, and S are only locate in the spiritual world, not the physical world, while the respiratory, circulatory, and sensorimotor are only relevant in the physical world.  These three parts together make up our threefold self. 

 

A man’s and a woman’s anatomy is very different.   A male’s central organ is the affective organ.  This corresponds to what his loves are.  Surrounding the affective organ is the cognitive organ, which houses the thoughts of a man.  Those two combine together to make the sensations and movements of the sensorimotor organ.  For women, the cognitive organ is placed in the center.  Their thoughts lead to what their loves are.  This in turn leads to the body’s reaction to the joining of the cognitive and affective organs.  The A (feeling), C (thought), and S (sensation) must be different for males and females.  This is logical since a male is ruled by their loves whereas a woman is ruled by her thoughts.  In the idea of correspondences, the male physical anatomy is different than a women’s physical anatomy.  It must also be that the male and female mental anatomy differs!

 

Mental as a Substance

 

Thinking of mental being a substance is hard one to grasp.  I was surprised that the people I had asked this question too, and described the idea about theistic psychology, fell into two distinct categories.  The two groups of people also had similar educational interest and careers. 

 

My first group has a strong background in science and psychology.  For them, it’s easy to accept this “negative bias”.  The negative bias is the rejection of the Divine being.  I can tell them that there is a Spiritual Sun, and everything comes from that, but of course there is the question of where the proof in that is.  This group of people is thinking in their layer 9.  They are basing what they think on what science has told them.  For them, its physical matter that makes up all things.  To suggest there is some other world in which our mental is detached from our physical seems outrageous. 

 

I do also have people though that can understand this concept.  These people tend to be more of my friends who are teachers, or social workers.  This group of people acknowledges that there is in fact a God.  When describing the idea that there is a possibility of a mental substance, they could easily accept it.  There wasn’t a question about why this could be, or what effect it has on each person, but they could see that mental and physical can be split. 

 

Mental’s Relationship with Eternity

 

Eternity is placed all around the Spiritual Sun.  The Spiritual Sun contains all the spiritual light and heat that are needed to make people in the mental world survive.  The heat and the light equates to the loves and thoughts we have.  The loves and thoughts are the correspondences of the affective organ and the cognitive organ.  Loves and thoughts are made of the eternal substance which comes from the Spiritual Sun.  This means that the mental world is composed of eternal substances, which is timeless and without an end. 

 

Mental Age

 

When a person’s physical body detaches, that person has a mental age that corresponds to that of their physical age.  Only external physical experience can yield to a building of the mental age.  The activities one's physical body participates in alters their thoughts and feeling of that body.  So, as someone increases in their physical age, there is also an increase in their mental age.  Sometime there are children and young adults who separate from their physical body too soon.  If this is the case, people that are located in the other layers of the mind can cross over briefly to help them understand the process that is going on. 

 

Eternity

 

Eternity is something that is contrasted with time.  Time has a beginning point, and an ending point.  Eternity is not within time.  Being eternal is timeless.  The physical world to which out physical body belongs to experiences time.  The mental world however is a world that’s placed around the Spiritual Sun, which is made from the substances of good and truth.   The shape of mental world of eternity is that of the human body. 

 

The Grand Human and the Grand Monster

 

The Grand Human and the Grand Monster are what drives the loves that we have.  The Grand Human is based on heavenly, good traits, while the Grand Monster is based on hellish, bad traits.  Our path is based on which way we plan to live our lives, selfishly or altruistically.  If we are selfish, we are being ruled by the Grand Monster.  However, if we avoid the selfish traits, we move into the Grand Human.  We are born with traits that are located in the Grand Monster; this is shown in layer 8 and 9 of our mental anatomy.  We are able to choose loves in the Grand Human though as we progress in our physical lives.  As our ideas change and become more positive, it will be possible to be a part of the Grand Human.   When the physical body dies, the mental world is split up by these two different societies. 

 

How are they related to each other?

 

In order to exist we have to have the Grand Human and the Grand Monster.  If our lives were planned out to be perfect all the time, we wouldn’t be human at all.  Our consciousness plays in here and helps us make which choice we think is correct for us.  As we progress in our physical lifespan, our mental eternity can take multiple paths.  We can continue to progress our mental layers, or they can be unregenerated, which  means the spiritual truths from the Spiritual Sun haven’t been taken in and accepted, which leads one down to the path of the Grand Monster,     or layers -9e,-8e, and -7e, the e meaning external.   When someone dies and has reached their first death, their ruling loves come out.  During this time, they can choose to go along the path which leads them to layer 4 (which would take them down the path of 7i, 8i, 9i), or they can be stuck at a place in the Grand Monster, the -9e,-8e, and -7e.  The choices you make correspond to what layers you are part of.  This can also be called the second death. 

 

Choosing the Grand Monster is a very negative path to take.  In the mental world, this is especially detrimental because a person can’t have the knowledge to deal with mental surroundings since they are still stuck within their physical, natural mind.  An unregenerated person will be infused with states of insanity.  Having a physical comprehension of the mental world of eternity is not possible.  To fully get to the layer that is closest to God, layer 4, one must take the internal natural mind layers (7, 8, and 9), and in the second death get to layers 6, 5 and 4. 

 

How we relate to them while still living on earth

 

The vertical community is the way the mental world is organized, and it also provides a balance within the societies of the Grand Human and the Grand Monster.  The physical bodies of us move in a horizontal community.  The horizontal community works its way outward and spreads, taking up more land and resources.  The mental world however goes in a vertical path. 

 

In this vertical community, we have the choice to accept ideas, or to reject them.  For instance, we start out at birth at layer 9e (external), which means it has not yet undergone regeneration (the process of enhancing your mind and moving closer to spiritual truths, and therefore being closer to God).  If we allow God to help guide us to understand that there is more to things than just the surface, we can go to layer 8e.  Where layer 9 is pretty concrete, layer 8 is abstract.  Layer 8 is normally achieved in adolescence.  If one allows their mind to open up even more, than probably as a young adult, layer 7e will be obtained.  All of these layers are part of the unregenerate natural mind. 

 

 

At this point, two things can happen, deny God’s presence and go to layer -9e,-8e, and -7e, or inversion can take place and lead one to layers 7i,8i,9i,6,5,and lastly, 4.  As mentioned previously, the negative external layers lead to insanity.  The positive layers however allow one to become closer to God, and these are considered internal layers.  7i is generally reached as a young adult.  Once someone has regenerated their layer 7i, they then can open themselves up to layer 6.  As a mature adult, 8i is often reached, and once that happens, layer 5 will be available.  In ones old age, 9i is reached, and with that, they can get to level 4, which is the highest and the closest level to God.

 

The Dying/Resuscitation Process

 

The dying process begins first with the death of the physical body.  This is known as the first death.  About 30 hours after our physical body is gone, our mental body awakens in the mental world of eternity.  The mental body and the physical body were once attached by correspondences, so the mental body still contains all the mental organs that were there at birth.  All that has been removed is the physical body. 

 

The zone that this takes place in is the resuscitation zone.  During this time, we are forced to look at our loves and pick the ruling one.  Once we have chosen the ruling love, all the other loves diminish and that becomes the love we have.  This is the final, free choice we are given.  This will make the difference between being in the Grand Monster and the Grand Human.  If one chooses a place in the Grand Monster, they will be filled with hatred and irrationality.  If they choose the Grand Human, then they will be filled with truth, love, and reason. 

 

When we have made the choice, if we have chosen loves within the Grand Human, we are prepared to move forward from the natural mind and experience the spiritual mind in layers 6, 5, and 4.  If we have chosen to reject the spiritual mind, we stay in insanity within the Grand Monster in layers -7e,-8e, and -9e. 

 

The Process of Regeneration

 

The process of regeneration begins with acknowledging what we are thinking and feeling, and then acting on what we think and feel.  Spiritual combat and temptations play a role in regeneration by allowing us to choose which loves we go with.  We use our own consciousness to make a decision as to how we will behave.  We can be selfish and choose on our own gain, or we can be altruistic and choose for the better of everyone. 

 

Self-Witnessing and Regeneration

 

Mental self witnessing is a technique that is done solely for the purpose of regeneration.  By traveling into the depths of our minds, it’s possible to see how our affective organ and cognitive organ work together to cause sensorimotor responses.  It’s a common mistake that people are not correct when they describe their feelings.  People often say they aren’t angry with someone when they are, or that they aren’t jealous of someone, but in fact they are.   The affective and cognitive organs aren’t expressing themselves properly in the sensorimotor organ.  This is only denying ourselves of who we are.  Self witnessing lets us look at what we are saying, and why we are saying that and make any necessary changed to correct the behavior, if it’s hellish.  This can also be referred to as experiencing the threefold self.  The affective organ and cognitive organ conjoin to help the sensorimotor organ act.  If you can adjust your hellish feelings and thoughts, this helps the regeneration process.  When the selfism in a person can be replaced with altruism, it progresses them in the regeneration process. 

 

Self-Witnessing and Me

 

Self witnessing is effective for understanding why you do certain actions or behave in a certain matter.  As far as personal experience goes, I find it something that I do on a regular basis.  It’s fairly easy to identify emotions you feel and why you feel them.  It’s important to not mask those for feeling that aren’t genuine, that only hurts the regeneration process. The goal during this is to reject the selfism that is so apparent in many people’s lives.  If people give into the Grand Monster, then hellish traits continue to build up within that person and it gets harder and harder for them to gain the path of altruism.  For me, I try to have understanding of the people around me and what their needs are as well.  I listen to my affective organ, react with my cognitive organ, and act as a whole with my sensorimotor organ.  If I have thoughts that are filled with negativity, I try looking at them and I adjust them to try to be a better person.   It is something that I have to concentrate on, or I will get wrapped up in my own hellish emotions and thinking and react in a way that hinders me. 

 

Self-Witnessing in Schools

I think that many people do this on their own actually.  No one really needs to be taught what they feel, unless they maybe have some mental defect.  It’s pretty easy to read oneself and make adjustments if they aren’t happy in their lives. 

 

Mental Psychology

 

Metal psychology is understanding that you are born with hellish traits which you have inherited.  These traits aren’t good ones to have, and it’s important to reject all the hellish traits, or loves, that you have, and you must replace them with good ones.  This also involves rejecting the selfish tendencies people often have and encourage them to take an altruistic approach to living, which would be doing things to better other people, not only yourself. 

 

Nontheistic Psychology vs. Mental Psychology

 

In school, we are taught that God doesn’t play a part in life.  This is the negative bias.  The acceptance that there is a God is the positive bias.  Mental psychology stresses that there is a co-presence with God and he is in control of everything. 

 

 Mental Psychology in Schools

 

If mental psychology was shown to have no connection with religion, and based only on human biology, I think it might have a place in schools.  The problem arises though with the mention of God.  Using the term God throughout the texts for this course, for me, implies a lot of Christianity within it.  People have the right to choose how they want to handle their lives, and they already have an idea of what will happen to them in the afterlife, if they believe there is life after our physical body dies.  Using the term, the “Divine Psychologist”, I think would be more appropriate and make less people frown at the idea.  I think that if this was taught, a lot of people would be ruined.  Religious viewpoints are held very dear to people.  This would flip their whole world upside down and cause a lot of turmoil for those individuals. 

 

Mental Psychology vs. Religion

 

Mental psychology is looking at what is bad or good in us and changing that if we wish to become a better person.  Religion for me is believing in a higher power, accepting that higher power, and worshipping that higher power.  Mental psychology really is more based on the individual consciousness, and how we react to it.  I don’t think it involves worship of God, but however, the acceptance of God’s help to help us choose the right path. 

 

Is God feasible?

 

I don’t think that the scientific definition of God is feasible.  To have to rely on one factor to create the entire universe, both physical and mental, seems too risky.  I believe that multiple things have to come into play to make our world work. 

 

Is Heaven and Hell acceptable

 

I don’t believe that accepting loves is acceptable to people in science or to my own view.  I know in my case, I have multiple good and bad things that I enjoy.  I don’t think that I have to choose one or the other.  The mind is so complex, both physically, and mentally.  I find it too hard to believe that we have to pick one side to spend all eternity in.  Such a complex organ needs multiple pathways to roam, and shouldn’t just be limited to one.  I think science would reject this idea as well, just because it is so limiting.  Complex species, like humans, need a complex world.  Just sticking to one love wouldn’t make even living in the mental world very worthwhile. 

 

Mental Psychology and Me

 

For me, I think I can better tie in my affective and cognitive organ better and genuinely show this in my sensorimotor organ.  A lot of times I tell people what they want to hear so I have to deal with them less.  This only hurts myself though.  By lying, it takes away a little part of me. 

 

 What ideas do you not fully agree with or not at all?

 

I personally think that the idea behind theistic psychology relates to the spirituality of an individual.  It might not pertain to strict religious practices, but it focuses on the idea that we all have a co-presence with the Divine Psychologist and he helps us with our temptations.  My religious background and my educational background make me very non- accepting of most of the concepts. 

 

I can accept the idea that we have two bodies at birth, the mental and the physical.  I can also accept that when our physical body dies, our mental body detaches from it.  The problem that arises for me is when it comes to the unregenerated layers.  I think that people can lead a good life, and be morally just, and not have a connection with God, but still get to a positive place in the end of the physical life. 

 

I know some people need to depend on God for a crutch to work through life, but what if I feel complete without God?  Does this make me a bad person?   By class definition, this would mean I’m giving into the stupifier of arrogance.  I deny that there can be a God.  Perhaps I think I am too good for God?  This is not the case at all however!  I just base my life on what I feel are good morals and practices.  I constantly think of how my affective and cognitive organ are reacting together to form my outward behavior.  I think that I am my own person though, and all of my thoughts and the obstacles in my way are mine and not under the control of God. 

 

How could these issues be resolved empirically, or further researched, in your view?

 

In order for me to believe in the concept behind theistic psychology, I would need hard evidence that there is this mental world.  I can’t accept something just because someone says it to be true.  I need to experience it myself, or read about that topic until I can fully understand it.   In addition to that, I need it to make perfect sense in my head.  It has to fit within my own rationale.  In theistic psychology, it’s says that its irrational to think that there is no God influencing us, however, in my beliefs, I think its irrational to think everything depends on God.