speed limit:
when do we cross the line?

by: Carolyn G. Agmata
Psy 409a, G11
 

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Table of Contents

Prior G's My Position Web Sites Pro's & Con's
Where I Stand Deja
News
Future G's Epilogue

Prior Generations
     Raeder Kinney  shared a terrible story about speeding.  Unfortunately his uncle was part of it and passed away due to someone colliding into him going 60 in a 15 mph.  He feels "something needs to be done to make drivers realize the dangers of speeding and the dire consequences that may result".  He says that speeding is an example of road rage and that we mustn't ignore the laws regarding the speed limit.  Mr. Kinney confesses to speeding, but goes on to say that there's no point in driving fast.
    I totally agree with Raeder.  Laws are made to put in effect the benefits and safetyness of our society.  If the regulators didn't care for us, such rules wouldn't be pushed nor would speed limits be posted.

      Kyle Kaneshiro thinks that "speed limits should be rated according to traffic flow".  He says that freeways are rated too slow and that endangerment is not only due to speeding.  He doesn't agree with the speed limits in certain areas, but he believes that "following the speed limit at all times is important and is part of being a responsible road user".  He's very sure that he's courteous on the road for other drivers and that his behavior is consistent when driving.  Mr. Kaneshiro concludes that no matter what, the speed limit should be followed because if not then it's considered breaking the law.
       Yes, following the speed limit and all the rules in driving is definitely being a responsible driver.  I agree with Kyle in that we should always follow the speed limit.

     Carlene Yee feels that speeding can be done in a safe manner.  She says that "the speed limits are a little slow, and sometimes can be more of a hazard than a safety precaution".  She admits to speeding and finds herself doing so in order to keep up with the rest of the traffic.  On the other hand, she feels that there are some exceptions such as dangerous curvy roads, school zones, and narrow roadways.  Ms.  Yee considers herself as a "moderate speeder", one who goes over the speed limit 10-15 mph and believes that the speed limit should be higher.
        Speeding is speeding and I really can't figure out how it could be done in a safe manner.  It may just be too late to slow down if so happens something gets in the way.  You may blame that, but it's also the speed factor that you have to consider because if you were going at the posted speed limit, you'll have time to react and break.
 

My Position About Speeding
    I think that speed limits are a good thing to have.  Of course that are pro's and con's to it, but in the long run safetyness is what's best for everyone.  Don't get me wrong, I could be a sucker for driving over the speed limit maybe 5-10 miles, but after that I gradually slow down because I can feel that I'm speeding especially because I'm passing the drivers on the right and left hand side.
    Speed limits at certain areas could be a little adjusted as long a s people follow them and not endanger anyone in any way as in "racing".  One example is when a me and a bunch of friends were coming home from drinking at "Campbell's".  In one car, my boyfriend was the driver and in the other our friend drove.  They thought it would be fun to race because there were no cars ahead of us.  And that they did, breaking 100 mph.  It was freaky!  I couldn't stand it so I screamed to the top of my lungs.  It was at that point my boyfriend realized it was stupid and backed off.  We were very lucky because we could've skid.  That night the roads were wet.  Thank God nobody got hurt.  (Except for me who cried the rest of the way home)
    Speeding is very dangerous, on slippery or dry roads.  You never know what can happen whether it be slamming into another car, a pedestrian, a light pole, or even a house.  Believe me they all occurred in real life.  Here in Hawaii, there's not enough distance to travel like in the mainland so probably 65 miles per hour is reasonable on highways compared to doing 75 as in California.  Going slower than stated is however a problem because it slows other drivers down who'll eventually end up weaving in and out of the lanes just to avoid such slow driving people.
    Bottom line is obey the laws and FOLLOW THE SPEED LIMIT!  I strongly feel that speed limits should be followed.  My behavior as a driver is a bit more modified ever since I took Dr. James' Traffic Psychology class last year.  I know that behind the wheel I have the power, therefore it's only up to me to be aware of my attitude and also cautious towards other drivers.
 

Web Sites Relating to Speed
Speeding car slams into Detroit school bus carrying 55 children
    This story was written by Charles Hurt and Wayne Woolley of the Detroit News.  It said that an ex-convict was going triple the speed limit.  His car crashed into a school bus and burst into flames.  It wouldn't have happened if he wasn't driving fast and recklessly.

Speeding: Traffic Safety Facts 1996
    This site defines speeding as "exceeding the posted speed limit or driving too fast for conditions and is one of the most prevalent factors contributing to traffic crashes".  According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, the cost of speeding-related crashes estimates to be $28.8 billion a year.  Approximately 13,000 lives were lost in these accidents.  They have the same trail of thought as myself in that "speeding reduces a driver's ability to steer safely around curves or objects in the roadway, extends the distance necessary to stop a vehicle, and increases the distance a vehicle travels while the driver reacts to a dangerous situation".

Tips on Speeding in the USA
    This page is written by a fellow name Matthew Hennessy who gives "tips" about speeding.  In my opinion, I think some of them are too idealistic.  Just because he hasn't been caught doesn't mean he's a pro.
 

Pro's and Con's about Speeding
PRO: Arguments that speeding is breaking the law and it kills
http://www.trafficidiots.com/rulesoftheroad.htm
        "When you are on the on ramp to a major highway you must make your vehicle accelerate
as fast as it can until you reach the speed limit. After that is you're choice weather you chose to break the law by exceeding the speed limit or not."

http://www.stvincent.ac.uk/Resources/Physics/Speed/road/limits.html
        "Speed limits on our roads are intended to encourage safer driving - by restricting the maximum permitted speed."

http://www.nrma.com.au/motoring/features/lowerspeeds.html
        "Overseas experience indicates that a reduction in speed limits can provide considerable savings to the community in terms of fewer crashes and casualties."
 

CON: Arguments to get rid of or boost up speed limits because it is safe
    http://www.progress.org/archive/fold40.htm
        Fred E. Foldvary states that there are other options to make roads safe besides lowering the speed limit.  He says eliminate them, but have every driver be competent and considerate.

    http://cartalk.cars.com/Mail/Letters/09-13/3.html
        In USA Today, it was reviewed that there is no link for higher speeds and traffic deaths.  It reported that in 27 states, increased speed is an unclear factor in motor vehicle crashes.

    http://www.junkscience.com/nov98/peters2.htm
        Eric Peters writes that "driving 65 (or 75) will not automatically increase the odds of you having an accident.  He argues that people who insist that raising speed limits from one arbitrary number to another will somehow make highways less safe and cause more accidents are simply mistaken.
 

Where I Stand On This Issue
    I still have the same beliefs as how I felt earlier.  We may get carried away sometimes but don't make speeding a habit.  Although some of us feels that the speed limits should be increased, we have to look at safety precautions.  Law enforcers post such speed limits because they feel that it's proper for that area in addition to the weather and road conditions.  Surely, speeding could get you to your destination quicker and in a shorter amount of time, but wouldn't you rather get there safely than not at all?  (knock on wood!)
 

DejaNews

Re: Stupid drivers
Author:

       Mark Hurst <mark@memcomputers.co.uk>
Date:

       1999/04/20
Forum:

       uk.rec.cars.4x4

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On 19 Apr 1999 10:09:51 GMT, Paul Marsden <pm@co.umist.ac.uk> wrote:

>In article <37159bc8.1271814071@news.demon.co.uk> Mark Hurst,
>mark@memcomputers.co.uk writes:
>>I know a woman near me who got booked THREE times in twenty minutes at the same spot,
>
>Stupid or what?

You obviously read between the lines earlier in my post. The trap was
hidden in the back of an unmarked van facing away from oncoming
traffic. Tell me, how would you have seen it? Don't tell me that you
wouldn't have been speeding - tell me how you would have SEEN it.
 

>Would you consider 90+ in a 70 limit over the top?
No, but then I don't agree with the current speed limits. I WOULD
favour a 20mph limit around schools, the replacement of the 30 limit
with 40mph and an unlimited speed on motorways.

>>
>>I would most like to have a one to one with the bastard in the back of
>>the van!
>Only doing his job, if shes been booked for 39 then the speedo will be
>reading up to 43.
Ah yes, just like the Serbian commanders are just doing theirs. Good
argument.
 

>I would like to have a talk with this stupid woman who considers it safe
>to speed in a built up area and is so unobservant that she misses the
>same speed trap 3 times in a row.

Who said it was a built up area? Fields on one side, parkland on the
other. No streetlights - parking only on the other side of the road
from which she was travelling. No speed limit "reminder" signs, the
only speed limit sign is where you enter the zone about a mile away.

Don't get me wrong; I have no problem with a "fair cop", but this (and
most others) are not. It is sneaky and therefore unfair.

You also need to be able to distinguish between a speeding motorist
and a dangerous/careless motorist.

Mark.

Summary:  Here two people get into a flame war about speeding.  Both of them are male and disagree with one another.  One says that he doesn't agree with the speed limits and also has no problem with cops, but sees them as sneaky and unfair.  The other person makes a good point and states that you have to be able to distinguish between a speeding motorist and a dangerous/careless motorist.

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Re: Speed Accuracy
Author:

       Lawrence R Glickman <lglickman@ameritech.net>
Date:

       1999/04/17
Forum:

       sci.geo.satellite-nav

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Jack wrote in message <7fatbm$eod$0@208.249.8.94>...
snippage
. Anyone have the guts to speed past a cop doing 80 on the GPS
>just to double check? Of course I'm only kidding!

Yes, on I294 in Illinois.  And I have never seen anyone stopped for
*speeding* on I294 ( everyone does 80 ), only for moving vehicle violations
and other things like tail lights out.
Moving vehicle violation would be like changing lanes without turn signals,
and etc.  _not_ speeding.
Heck, it's 72 miles to my sister in law's house from here.  If I did the
speed limit of 55mph, I would _never_ get there !!!  ( because I would be
run over and killed for driving too slowly ).

And, we have many people going to Wisconsin to and from work.  Commute for
these people might be 70 to 100 miles each way.  Most take the Metra Train,
but those who drive, go like a bat out of h#ll.

So the State Police decided to plant *fantom* cars here and there,
pretending they would act as a deterrent for speeding.  Then everyone
memorized where they were, and when they saw a patrol car the just blasted
by it.  So then the State Police started moving these *phantom* cars around.
Same result, people ignored them after a while.

Then State Police put phony radar emitters on overpasses to set off your
radar detectors.  Same result.  People found out they were *bogus* and just
blasted by them !!  :^))))))))  Funny though.  No accidents here from
speeding.  Only drunk drivers.

LRG

Summary:  In this posting someone admits to speeding and never being caught even if he passes by a cop.  He says that in Illinois, on I294,  nobody gets pulled over for speeding, just moving vehicle violations like changing lanes without using your blinkers.  I think that's pretty sad.  This shows how easy people can get by with things.  There should be stricter policemen who will do their job and actually stop "speeders" instead of being taken advantage of.

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Re: Happy birthday to me
Author:

       Philip-----------> <enough@mindspring.com>
Date:

       1999/04/17
Forum:

       alt.recovery.aa

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In article <7fah1s$4nf$1@twwells.com>, anon-11957@anon.twwells.com (Ted
L.) wrote:

> From here on in I'm speeding.  55 years today.
> 'Nuff said.
>
> Ted L.
>
Time is is illusionary Ted.  Savour it.  Glad you're here.
--
Philip

WYSIWYG

Summary:  I thought this was a simple, yet straightforward post.  The man named Ted just turned 55 years old and flatly says "from here on, I'm speeding".  Someone named Phillip replied back to him and said, "time is illusionary, savour it, glad you're here".  Phil was being realistic here and respects the gift of life.  I'm behind him 100%.  Time is precious and if you're going to lose it to speeding, that's pitiful!
 

Future Generations
        My advice to future generations who plans to chose this as one of their reports is to start early.  There is tons of searching that takes up so much time.  The process of locating specific web sites and looking in search engines that discusses speeding or speed limits is pretty long.  Choosing what to react on is also hard because there is many views from all kinds of people.  I suggest that you take the issue seriously to be honest on this report because you may get something out of it.  Look at both the pro's and con's and decide from there how you actually feel about "speed".  Last, be sure to spell check.  It'll make a lot more sense.

Epilogue
       I've learned a lot by doing this report.  There are so many different opinions but I still am sticking to what I feel about speeding.  Some people argue that speed kills and some don't.  I guess that's how life is.  Not everyone will agree to what others say.  So, it's up to you to decide.  There's also a lot of charts and data that talks about "speed".  Now with all this information I've received, I'll be more responsible and take into consideration the speed limit debate by trying not to exceed what's posted and just following the rules.
        If you feel that you need to improve on your driving habits, do Dr. James' Three Step Program.  It will definitely help!  Or check out these other reports: Speed Limits or Traffic Psychology.
 
 
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