1. When will you cretins LEARN?
Subject: Re:
When will you cretins LEARN?
Date:
1998/02/24
After
watching FOX's latest round of car-crash shows, most notably. "Surviving The Moment Of Impact," I
was reminded once again how that
are on the same level as those "reality" shows... annoying speeders and tailgaters can
be. I am tired of your B.S. logic
which you use to rationalize your selfish urges. Here are a few Shut the F up.
My research has clearly shows how speeding is NOT the #1 cause to traffic accidents. It's instead, AGGRESSIVE DRIVING. And most of the shits you watch on Fox is AGGRESSIVE driving, not speeding. ÀHere's the difference: speeding - driving at high speed by the car is well under control, the only "sin" is you're driving fast. Aggressive driving - driving out of control, dangerous cuts and curves, speed may be fast or slow.
There, now
you're educated.
FALLACY #1: "It's not raw
speed, but *relative* speed that causes accidents, so if everyone drove the same speed (aka 80 mph) there
would be fewer accidents." WRONG: Countless crashes occur when vehicles try to stop or swerve to avoid
*stationary* objects like stalled
cars.
Fallacy
#1"Speed kills"......... a research by the AAA clearly shows that
two cars hitting at 40 mph each can
cause almost the same % of death rate at 75 mph. So once you drive over that 40 mph buffer and gets
into a car accident, you're dead.
The faster you go, the harder it is to
stop and the graver the injuries
become. It's simple physics you morons.
Why am I
not suprise you had to revert to insults? Now shut your hole.
FALLACY #2: "I like speed
because speed is cool, therefore I have a right to push it to the limit when I feel like it."
WRONG: Not everyone
shares your junior-high fantasies. You have no right to drive like an idiot just to satisfy your
ego. Shut up and show some courtesy.
If you want to speed, take it way out in the country where you're least
likely to kill someone.
What I'm a
piss at, if foolish slow bastards like you that contributes to traffic jams everyday. Unlike you I backup
my words with proofs. Another research by AAA shows that traffic jams can be decrease if speed limits
are raise to 65 mph. A test
sample on I-66 in Northern VA shows that traffic jam time decrease by 60% when raise the speed limit from 55 to
65. Here's a simple economics
for you, the faster you go, the faster you get to wherever you wanted
to go, the less the traffic, and less time is wasted, and more time can be put on produtive matters, and total
economic goes up.
FALLACY #3: "I am more skilled
than most drivers, therefore I can get away with riskier maneuvers." WRONG: This is your ego speaking again. Driving a car (outside of an Indy race) is not as
difficult as you think.
You have delusions of grandeur.
After
watching too many traffic accidents that's NOT caused by speeding, I said slowsters are slow simply because they
CAN'T drive. Learn the game.
I fully expect a pack of losers to take
offense to the above.
This
statement pretty much sums up your intelligence level.
Next time, try to bring up some figures and facts and not your ass ok? [ Pathetic ]
My
Comments:
The
writer of this post was holding a position in favor of speeding. He displayed
his knowledge of traffic and used AAA statistics to back up his
statements. He argued that speeding is not the number one cause of
accidents, but rather it is aggressive driving. He also cites statistics
that show traffic jams would be reduced if the speed limit was increased to
65mph in certain areas.
I am
personally not in favor of speeding, but I do agree with what the writer is
saying. Aggressive driving does seem to me more hazardous than plain
speeding. If there is a long stretch of road and the lane is clear,
simply going faster is not as bad as weaving in and out of lanes and losing
control of the vehicle as an aggressive driver would do. Also, there are
times when driving too slow does create a hazard.
2. Taking steps against bad drivers
Subject:
Taking steps against bad drivers
Date:
1998/01/28
I remember last
year I browsed this user group and I actually saw losers try to "defend" tailgating.
People who do this and make other aggressive moves on the road, and those who "defend"
such moves, can be thanked for existing to be
the back side of the IQ bell curve.
In Phoenix bad driving is such a problem that mild, basic first steps against such behavior are being proposed in the state legislature. [ Dave Simpson ]
..............................................................................
"Road Rage" Bills Target Overly Aggressive Drivers. À[ Chris Moeser ]
The Arizona Republic Wednesday, January 28, 1998
If there's one thing worse than crawling along on a jam-packed Valley freeway at rush hour, it's watching the clown behind you drive inches from your back bumper before swerving to the shoulder to pass.
But don't reach for your weapon. Grab the car phone and call the cops.
Under two proposals that picked up powerful legislative endorsements Tuesday, drivers could be cited by police for driving too aggressively. The measures are designed to cut down on the growing carnage on the roads caused by "road rage."
ÀOne bill would define aggressive driving and set up stiff penalties, including a 30-day license suspension for first-time offenders. The second would make it illegal to drive across the white-lined triangles at freeway ramps, known as "gore" points. The word is derived from a triangular pattern, as on a piece of land or a garment, not from a description of an accident scene.
DPS Officer Doug Knutson was killed earlier this month when a pickup
plowed into him as he stood in a
gore point on the Red Mountain Freeway.
Proposals designed to curb "road rage"
"While
we cannot undo the tragedies of the past, we can enact laws to change our future," Gov. Jane Hull said at a
news conference Tuesday morning. "The issue of aggressive driving is serious. And this bill will leave
no doubt about it."
ÀHull was joined by House Speaker Jeff Groscost in supporting the
proposal. Senate President
Brenda Burns is generally supportive of the bills, but hasn't had a chance to review the details.
Supporters say the aggressive-driving legislation gives police new and needed tools to prevent road rage. Drivers could be charged with aggressive driving if they are cited for a combination of any three of the following charges:
* Reckless driving.
* Excessive speed.
* Passing on the right or on the shoulder.
* Tailgating.
* Failure to signal lane changes, improper lane changes, or failure to signal.
* Failure to yield the right of way.
* Running a red light or stop sign.
A first-time offender would face a misdemeanor charge. But a second conviction would be a Class 6 felony with an automatic license suspension of one year.
Alberto Gutier, director of the Governor's Office of Community and Highway Safety, pointed to a AAA study showing that people are more afraid of road rage than drunken driving.
Nationally, the American AUtomobile Association reports that aggressive drivers have caused 10,037 incidents from 1990 to 1996, with 218 people being killed.
"The problem with aggressive driving is that it leads to road rage," Gutier said.
Sen. Tom Freestone, R-Mesa, who is co-sponsoring the bills, agreed.
The cost of the proposals is unknown. By making it illegal to drive across gore points, the state would have to re-stripe freeway ramps using yellow paint instead of white.
Hull said money can be found to pay for the changes.
My
Comments:
This post
gave information about proposals for stiffer penalties for aggressive
driving. The writer explains what a serious issue aggressive driving has
become and how it is responsible for a large number of deaths each year.
I believe the proposals are good, but the penalties are very harsh. After
a second offense, the offenders drivers license will be suspended for a
year. Even though this is harsh, it might reduce the amount of aggressive
driving. The article states that people are more afraid of road rage than
drunken driving. So, maybe the penalty for aggressive driving should be the
same or worse than for driving drunk.
Subject:
Re: Photo Radar Defense
ÀDate: 1998/02/21
Duh. Ever try not speeding?
Yes! REALLY! That works even better and is foolproof! Though driving the
maximum speed limit and no faster takes
more courage than most people posting here have.
Cheers.
Mother told me there would be days like these.... Ok I will try to Àmake this real simple for you. Photo Radar not accurate. If you driving at limit, you still could get ticket, because photo radar is not accurate.
Once again, if you are driving at the limit, you may still get ticket, because photo radar not accurate. Are the words too big? Not accurate=wrong. Wrong to the high side. Wrong is bad. Because photo radad is not accurate, you may still get ticket. Now, a quick review, and exercise in logic. If you are driving the speed limit, and you still get a ticket this is because.. _____ _____ __ ___ ________. Good God, and the politicaly correct have the nerve to say that only the intellectual minority have access to the net.
Ouch! Someone touch a nerve?
So let me get this straight, you're saying that photo radar is not accurate? :)
This may be so but could it be so out of whack that it is triggered by a vehicle that is travelling at the speed limit? Usually there is a cushion allowed for what speed triggers the unit. I'm not sure what the figure is, somewhere between 5-15 km/h I would imagine. Let's just use an average of 10 km/h. By what you're saying, that would mean that there is a possible error margin of 20 km/h. I find it hard to believe that something that could have that large of an error margin and still be accepted as usable.
I think, IMHO, that the innaccuracy defence is more often used by people that were actually speeding as opposed to someone who is doing the speed limit. I, myself, have never gotten a speeding ticket, photo or otherwise. Not that I stick strictly to the speed limit. Anyone who says they never speed is probably lying. However, I try to control my "urge" to speed and use common sense when driving. If you need to get somewhere allow yourself to time to make the trip, five or ten minutes one way or the other is not going to make that much of a difference.
There are too many aggressive drivers on the road today. People who feel that they must be at the head of the flow of traffic. People who have to be the front car at the next red light. I sometimes fall into this category myself, but the first step to curbing this behaviour is to recognize that it occurs in one's self (sorry that sounds kind of preachy).
What it all boils down to is "don't speed and you won't get a speeding ticket." It's that simple, I'm sure you can do the math.
That's what I think any ways. [ Richard Dmytryshyn, "The Acoustiholics" Fresh out of rehabilitation. ]
My
Comments:
This
writer was making a big point that photo radar is not accurate. He states
that you could get caught for speeding even though you were going the posted
speed limit. From what I gather, this post was a response to someone who
was telling people not to speed because of photo radar detectors. The
writer was countering that it does not matter because photo radar is not
accurate and you could get cited even if you weren't speeding.
4. Cyclists have right to use road
Subject:
Re: Pedestrians
ÀDate: 1998/02/13
Stephen Dee
of Dee Tribe posted this to uk.transport
on Tue, 10 Feb 1998 19:59:32 +0000 '
Contary to what most motorist think, a cyclist has a legal right to use ' the road even when there is a cycle path
alongside. I don't believe any
motorists think cyclists don't have a legal right to use the road at all times. Your belief is simply wrong. As a cyclist, I
have been told on several
occasions in no uncertain terms to "get back where I belong and off the road."
Funny
though how so many cyclists think they have a legal right to ride on the
pavement and go thru red lights.
Fustrating, isn't it. If drivers
treated cyclists with a little more courtesy a little more often, perhaps the cyclists would be more
willing to use the road instead of the
pavement.
And so stop treating the pedestrian as they imply the motorist treats them ? Why do cyclist believe it's OK one way and not the other ??????? Is it 'the devil take the hindmost' ? It's a silly attitude, the 'footway rage' can probably be more dangerous than 'road rage' to a cyclist, who is easily de-stabilised.
À
My
Comments:
The
writer here was trying to defend cyclists by stating that they have the legal
right to use the road along with other motorists. I'm not sure if this is
true because I am sure there are certain roads that cyclists are not allowed,
such as freeways. Also in the post there was discussion of how some
cyclists do not obey traffic laws and go through red lights. This post
made cyclists look bad because they complain about being hassled by automobile
drivers, and then they go and hassle pedestrians who are in their way.
One writer of the thread says that "footway rage" is worse than road
rage and cyclists are big offenders.
5. USA: 10,037 reported road rage incidents
Subject:
USA : 10,037 reported road-rage incidents
Date:
1998/02/20
WASHINGTON -- Road rage has become so common in the United States that the American Automobile Association (AAA) has resorted to the science of anger management to encourage drivers to behave more calmly.
On Wednesday, it launched its biggest campaign yet to combat "violent aggressive driving", as it terms it, which has killed more than 200 Americans in the past few years. The publicity drive features radio commercials which lampoon aggressive drivers.
Mr Remer might not have fought but others have fired shots and used their vehicles as deadly weapons in behaviour that has fast become a normal part of driving in the US.
The AAA said that there were 10,037 reported road-rage incidents in the country between 1990 and 1996, and the number of such incidents is rising at a rate of more than 7 per cent a year.
In addition to the 218 people killed as a result of violent driving encounters, 12,610 were injured. The majority of offenders are males between 18 and 26 years of age.
Mr Willis said the growth in road-rage incidents was deeply troubling. "We are a very stressed-out society. You can find these incidents everywhere," he said.
The AAA believes this owes much to the rapid expansion of traffic, deteriorating road conditions and an increase in selfish driving.
Psychologists and sociologists argue that it is also related to social disintegration and the release of animal instincts in an increasingly individualistic society.
Mr Willis conceded that the campaign might not reach genuinely out-of-control aggressive drivers but pointed out that many incidents involved at least one normal driver suddenly becoming transformed into a motoring monster by another's behaviour.
"It takes two to tango," he said. "If we can convince millions of calm, mature motorists not to get sucked into encounters with angry drivers, many lives can be saved."
The
association said drivers could often avoid escalating an encounter by avoiding eye contact or
making some gesture of apology. [ FT, Reuters. ]
?
* Ideals
without practice are merely dreams.* *
My
Comments:
The
writer of this article was telling about a major campaign the AAA is holding to
reduce the amount of traffic related deaths. The article states that
between the years of 1990 and 1996 there were 10,037 reported road rage
incidents and the annual percentage is increasing. I think the writer was
trying to spread the news of the AAA campaign and startle readers with the
large number of incidents. The writer also states that some of the causes
of road rage are increase of traffic, deteriorating road conditions, and
selfish driving. I agree with this because I find myself very stressed
when having to drive in heavy traffic and also when driving on a bumpy, poorly
maintained road.
6. The ONLY good driver on the road!!!
Subject:
I swear, I am the ONLY good driver on the road!!!!
Date:
1998/02/24
Hi Jerry,
I cant believe it, I am driving down the highway, right now, doing 89 in a 55, and some asshole in a caddy just gave me the finger. Hell, I only swerved into his lane a yard or two, no biggie !!! Besides, he ought to be watching out for other drivers too. Funny thing, I just saw a thing on TV about assholes like that, they called it road rage, or something like that. Anyhow, I am a busy guy, and dont have time for that assholes nonsense. Right now, as I drive down the interstate, and I have alot of things to do, besides typing this email, on my laptop computer, I still have accounting to get done, while I am driving, and have 38 minutes left before my arrival, and it MUST be finished before I arrive and complete before my big meeting tonite, which starts in 53 minutes, and I still have about 86 miles to drive, and my cell phone keeps ringing, and I have already had to answer the damn thing 4 times since I began typing this email. Of course, it was my annoying, fucking goddamn boss. He is a real jackoff, and needs a hard fist in his face. Anyhow, besides all of that, I am trying to eat my dinner, and already spilled some gravy on my suit, and got it all over the steering wheel, which reminds me, hold on for a moment, while I tear through the glove box, and find some issue.................
OK, I'm back, now where was I ? Before the gravy incident and 3 more goddamn phone calls..... Oh, I remember now, that asshole that fingered me !!!! Yeah, that jerk must be related to my boss, and also deserves a fist in his face. Anyhow, I wanted to sa
OOPS..... Goddamnit.... Hey You Fucking Jerk, Dumb shit asshole!!! Learn how to fucking drive, and give it some gas, or park the fucking thing !!!! Sorry Jerry, some stupid fuck just slammed on his brakes, and nearly caused an accident, instead of passing the fucking truck. I just cant believe some drivers, they must get their licenses out of Cracker Jack boxes. Sometimes I think I am the ONLY person that knows how to properly drive, I swear !!!!
Anyhow, I better finish this email, and send it out over my cellular modem, so I can get to that accounting, plus, I still gotta shave, thank god I got that new razor for Christmas, that plugs into the cigarette lighter, so I can shave while I drive. Well, I better get goimb
Goddamn it, my stupid kids really got me pissed now, I was trying to check my beeper for messages, while adjusting my tie, and of course, the damn cell phone was ringing, and my fucking kids were tossing a football around in the back seat, and it hit the windshield, and smacked me in the face, that is the last thing I need, and now the damn wife is screaming at me, as if it was my fault, plus I missed the phone call, and it was probably the one I was waiting for, which is going to cost me big money. To make matters worse, my cup of coffee, that was on the dashboard is now spilled all over the dash, the car floor, and in my shoe, and now I can't get the damn stereo eject the tape.
Well, I gotta give this beast some more gas, I am really running late, and all because of that asshole that gave me the finger, The stupid asshole....
OH SHIT, OH FUCK, a red light......... Fuck it, I am gonna run it, I dont have time for red lights, or I'll be late.... Oh shit, YOU STUPID ASSHOLE !!!!! I can't believe this, the asshole in front of me STOPPED, and the light JUST turned red. People like that ought to be SHOT!!!! Nobody stops for red lights anymore, until they are *completely* red, but I gotta end up behind the one asshole that does.... Now I AM going to be late.... And all because of that dumb son of a bitch!!!!! He's lucky my pistol is in the trunk. or he'd be really sorry.
Hold on, I am going to give that cocksucker the finger when I pass him, and slam on my brakes when I get in front of him just to piss him off.....
I swear, I am the ONLY good driver on the road!!!! But the way all these other idiots drive, I think they'd all be better off going back to the horse and buggy !!!! [ Catch ya later Jerry ]
My
Comments:
This
newsgroup post was pretty funny. It was written to look like an email to
someone and had a sarcastic humor. The writer was prenteding to be
writing the email while driving in his car. He was claiming to be the
only good driver on the road because he could speed, swerve, type, eat, and
shave all at the same time. I think the intent of this was to illustrate
what the extremely aggressive and dangerous driver is like. The writer
painted a picture of talking on a cellular phone while running red lights and
yelling at the kids playing football in the backseat. The driver was late
to appointments and cursing at the other "bad" drivers on the road
who were doing stupid things like stopping at red lights and not clearing a
path for his speeding.
Subject:
Re: Life with a bike
Date:
1998/01/19
The main problem I have on a bike are
crazy drivers who think its fun to
sneak up behind you and lay on the horn suddenly, ride your tail for blocks when they can easily go around,
opening car doors in your path, etc.
Don't get me started. :)
I have used
bicycles as my primary means of transportation in town for over 20 years. I don't find cars to be
nearly as big a problem as other cyclists.
Car drivers are very predictable, obey the rules of the road, and will give a cyclist a break before they
will give one to another car. Cyclists,
OTOH, are not predictable, and violate the rules of the road constantly. One example. Some
years ago on my daily commute to work, I almost got nailed two days in a row by the same university student on a
bike going through the same stop
sign. I have lost count of the times I have had cyclists come at me on the wrong side of the road in heavy
traffic. A bike in traffic is
just another vehicle and subject to the same rules. Unfortunately the cops don't think traffic violations
by
cyclists are a serious matter.
Cheers,
Lech
My
Comments:
The
first writer was a cyclist who was complaining about car drivers being a bother
to him. The second writer is also a cyclist, but counters that car
drivers are fine and predictable while it is other cyclists who are the
problem. The person was trying to show how cyclists are worse than other
motorists because they do not obey traffic laws such as stopping at stop
signs. Also, the writer feels that police do not consider it a big deal
when cyclists violate the laws.
I can't
say I agree with the writer because the cyclists I have come across on the road
were very courteous. Although they are slow moving and do get in the way,
I have noticed that they obey traffic laws the same as car drivers. I
rarely see cyclists on the road so I guess they haven't gotten on my bad side
yet. Also, I figure that a person riding a bike means one less car is on
the road.
8. More car lanes not answer to congestion
Subject:
Re: more car lanes not answer to congestion
Date:
1998/01/30
These are wonderful ideals, but I'll stand by my earlier position--mass transit and biking are just not realistic means of transportation for everyone. Not all of us are fortunate enough to live near a metro station and/or within biking/walking distance from work. For some, driving is realistically the only option.
I now live a block from the metro and close to downtown, a privilege for which I pay a premium. I also live 3 blocks from a bike trail--another benefit. Because I have these options, I rarely use my car. In my last home, however, I had to choose between a 45-minute drive and a 1.5 hour mass transit commute. Which do you think I chose? The aggravation of fighting DC traffic and potholes was worth the extra 1.5 hours I had for myself each day.
Sometimes
wonder if the goal of the anti-development forces is to make driving in this city so completely miserable that
people will be forced to use mass transit.
That might sway some drivers who had chosen to use their cars even though they had better--and more environmentally
friendly--options. But it would
make life miserable for everyone else in the process. Do bike paths and
roads have to be an either/or
decision? Of course not. Let's get real.
My
Comments:
The
writer was trying to say that mass transit or bike paths may not be the answer
to reducing traffic on the road. His rationale is that not everyone lives
close to a mass transit station or a bike path. Also, a lot of people
live far away from work, so biking or even walking is not a realistic
option. I agree with this because I live in Kaneohe and would never bike
to school in Manoa or to work in Waikiki. I agree with the writer that it
is a fine suggestion to those who live near their work place, but it is very
unrealistic for the rest.
9. Only slow drivers create traffic
Subject:
Re: Only Slow Drivers Create Traffic
Date:
1998/02/03
I don't know where it is that only old drivers create traffic. Here where I live, on highway 101 commute, traffic congestion is seasonal. When school is in, there is traffic. During the summer time, there is less traffic. Here, it is also the roads. Where the highway narrows in lanes, congestion occurs. That is a fact.
You blame older drivers for traffic congestion? Here it is seasonal, the students that cause congestion. And the yuppies that move here in droves and commute south, not old people. Not many old people drive around during commute time.
It's only
the slow, old gray drivers who create traffic. In the afternoon, when there are too many of them, you can't get around them. When you can't get
around them anymore, then you have to
drive slow yourself, thus
creating more traffic. It is a vicious cycle. If people could only figure it out - it's NOT THE ROADS -ITS THE SLOW DRIVERS WHO CREATE TRAFFIC! If they would just double
their speed, then they would
half the traffic! I say, get the
old, slow drivers off of the road. I say: DON'T GRAY AND DRIVE
À
[ http://www.dontgrayanddrive.com ]
My
Comments:
The
writer here was responding to a post that said it is the elderly who are
creating traffic. The writer was pointing out that in his area, the
traffic is seasonal. When there is school, the traffic is heavy and
during the summer, it reduces. Therefore, the writer claims that the
traffic is actually due to younger people. I agree with both sides of
this one. The elderly do seem to drive slower and hold up traffic, but
traffic is also caused by school being in session.
10. Road rage, drivers tests, ect...
Subject:
Re: Road rage, drivers tests ect...
Date:
1998/02/13
There have been several OTHER times
that I tapped the brakes JUST enough
to turn my brake lights on without actually slowing down - not QUITE as effective, but a lot safer on the
freeway or if there is a lot of
traffic around - and I HAVE done that with idiot semi-tractor trailor rig tailgaters. THOSE assholes shouldn't just
be arrested for tailgating THEY
should get "assault with a deadly weapon" as a MINUMUM.
I've used some other tactics. Turn signals are wonderful for making the person behind you slow down because they think you're about to, even when you don't. Most tailgaters will fall for this three or four times before they realize you're jerking their chain. Same goes for faking a desire to change lanes when someone the next lane over is tailgating. If that fails, sometimes it pays to have amateur radio in the car. A good friend of mine was being tailgated for ten miles solid. After the second mile, he put out a call for intervention, and got it around mile 9.9.
As for charging trucks with assault (or more), I couldn't agree more.
There has been a crackdown in Atlanta recently on "demon drivers". They're out looking more for tailgating, changing multiple lanes in a single dangerous maneuver, and of course, excessive speed. My morning commute now takes an extra minute over 42 miles.
[
Rich. ]
My
Comments:
The
writer of this post was giving suggestions on how to get a tailgater off of
you. He claimed that tapping the brake so the light goes on is one way,
but an even more effective method is to use the turn signals. I have not
used this method before, but I would think the opposite would happen. If
I was tailgating someone and saw them signal, I would think they are changing
lanes and I would speed up. I think speeding up would be a more likely
reaction to a turn signal rather than slowing down.
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