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Attitudes Driving Newsgroups:
Examining Perspectives in CyberSpace
TABLE OF CONTENTS:

Instructions for this Report
Newsgroup Posting 1
Reactions to Newsgroup Posting 1
Newsgroup Posting 2
Reactions to Newsgroup Posting 2
Newsgroup Posting 3
Reactions to Newsgroup Posting 3
Newsgroup Posting 4
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Newsgroup Posting 5
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Newsgroup Posting 6
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Newsgroup Posting 7
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Newsgroup Posting 8
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Newsgroup Posting 9
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Newsgroup Posting 10
Reactions to Newsgroup Posting 10
How others in this generation compiled their findings
Suggestions offered for future generations








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Newsgroup Posting 1:
Desensitization through Humor

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Subject: Man, that's only the beginning, dude
Re: Road Rage
Date: 1998/01/21
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JUSTIFICATION FOR AUTOMOTIVE ASSASSINATION

1. "Mean People Suck" stickers. What's wrong with us??

2. "My child was student of the month at...." Instead, how about "My uncle was CIA hit man of the month," or "My father was inmate of the
month at San Quentin?"

3. People who look through their steering wheels instead of the windshield when they drive. Don't you just love to see a tuft of white
hair and the top of the steering wheel?

4. Convertible Geo Metros. Someone once thought that Pacers and Pintos would be cool too.

5. People who move into the slow lane AFTER you've passed them. Oh God,
PLEASE, just one kill!!

6. People with diesel engine cars. GASP! CHOKE! Thanks a lot.
COUGH! CHOKE!

7. Having to share the road with cyclists.

8. People with more stickers on their car than paint. And no Anita, I don't believe you.

9. Everyone's favorite group of drivers. No explanation needed here.

10. Purple headed warriors behind the wheel. PLEASE, stick to baking cookies, making shawls and playing with your cats.

Oh, man, that's just the beginning! That's what I see in suburban DC on a good morning, thank you very much. Let's continue the list:

11. "No Left/U-Turn" bandits. Bethesda Maryland has these signs that say that during a certain hour--rush hour if you will--you can't make a left or a U-turn at certain intersections. Guess what some cocksuckers do anyway? "Oh, yeah, I think I'll just block traffic for 2 miles back to I-270 and make them wait while I take a left turn on a street where I have no business being in the first place."

12. Double-lane pirates. TWO F*#KING WHITE LINES MEAN DO NOT CROSS!!!!!
(HOV lanes have this at the divide of I-270)


13. The "I think I'll cut this guy off. Who cares about right of way?" crowd.


14. Pedestrians who don't know what a lit red hand means.(Corollary: the brilliant one who came up with the flashing "WALK" signals in Chevy Chase, DC/MD and further into DC)


15. "YOU'RE DRIVING LIKE A BAT OUTTA HELLLLLLLLLL" a la "Mariott Fairfield"
(Explanation: This guy is on a two-lane road headed for a meeting that starts in five minutes. Gets behind this old beat-up car going 25mph. Wife is driving, strain-ing the transmission, husband is sitting there telling her to slow down, so she does and he says to her...)


16. "DON'T BLAME ME I VOTED FOR BUSH". Apparently, you didn't get a D/L, either in 1996.


17. I'm from the South (NC, to be exact) and know how to drive in snow better than the rush hour crowd in the mornings.


18. The "One microsecond of a turn signal is enough to signal for a lane change" crowd.

19. The "wait for three minutes after a light turns green and look stupid at the drivers honking behind them" crowd.


20. Construction crews. That Pennzoil commercial might be funny as hell to the non-suburbanites, but to the rest of us, it's reality.(Explanation: put up a sign that says "No passing for next 100 miles" on a 2-lane road, put up traffic lights every block and snicker while eating a sandwich at the
guy directly behind them).

Okay, keep adding to this list. This is great.

 

 

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Reactions to Newsgroup Posting 1

The individuals who voiced opinions shown in the first posting appear to be venting about the frustrations that each of them felt while driving. The statements seem to be made in a joking manner. An example is the comment about bumper stickers. Although there is an aura of humor to the various declarations, since the information is being posted to a publicly accessible area, I felt that it should have been expressly mentioned that the comments given were merely for venting or comical purposes.

My main reason for this stance is that many children are increasingly obtaining access to the Internet and these youngsters are not always supervised. Due to the fact that much learning that a child absorbs is done through vicarious learning experiences, a young mind might misinterpret the postings to be true "justifications" for automobile assassination. To assist in preventing these misunderstandings, users of newsgroups should be clear in their intentions. A secondary reason for finding the post objectionable in it?s current state is the heading of "Justification for Automobile Assassination", and the statement "Oh God, PLEASE, just one kill!".

Although I?m assuming that the comments contained in this post were intended to be satirical and entertaining, I personally feel that statements of this nature contribute to the gross desensitization of our communities. Yes, the information is slightly funny if you take it from a comical perspective. But it is amusing because we as a society are deadened to the realities behind the humor?that we actually find it funny that people should be killed for "minor" things that are irritating. So although this posting might not be "shocking" to most individuals, it is inglorious in my opinion because we as a society can find the topic to be amusing.

As stated previously, I feel that humor in the form of topics such as those espoused by the first posting reflect desensitized attitudes held by individuals in our communities. While it might have begun as a individual personality trait, it has "blossomed" into a social acceptance of these viewpoints. Prejudice is definitely present in these statements, in particular, the remark about bumper stickers, the comment about having to share the road with cyclists, and the purple headed warriors. I also sense a tone of displacement in both the previous examples and the remarks about short older individuals. Possibly because they are feeling tense from bad driving experiences, they feel the need to take their frustrations out on people who won?t "fight back".

 



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Newsgroup Posting 2:
Condescending Education of Driving Skills

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Subject: Re: Road Rage - AA Survey [reply to various posters]
Date: 1998/01/19
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ÀThere have been a variety of reactions to the tale of road rage I posted a while back, and in my final message on this thread (and probably to the NG - the standard of 'discussion' on here is barely at playground level) I'd like to reply to some of the points made and make a few final observations.

Someone kept making the fatuous point that I was breaking the law by doing 80mph.

This is the speed recommended by police traffic officers to take into account any variations in the vehicle's speed measuring indicator of 10% plus/minus. Also provides an adequate stopping
distance on thinking & braking times.

That's true enough,
but then the majority of motorway drivers break the law by speeding at some time,

Unless there is a visibly marked police patrol car in the immediate area then the majority of m-way users are exceeding the national speed limit, regardless of the type of vehicle they are driving.

so frankly I don't see what my speed has to do with the price of eggs, unless the implication is that as a lawbreaker I've got no right to complain about anything.

What they are saying is that you are probably a
hypocrite.

Perhaps the poster is part of the small minority of the population who's never committed an indictable offence in his life.

There probably are some, somewhere. Those that are still living.

Others made the fair point that I was wrong to give the guy the finger, and it's certainly not an error I'll repeat. Some said that, if I'd done that in any other situation I'd have got a kicking, which is a sound point and one I've made myself a number of times ? it irritates me (dare I say it enrages me ;-)) when people make gestures or yell abuse from the safety of their little metal boxes which they wouldn't have the guts to do in real life.

Maybe had you been arrested for actions likely to lead to a breach of the peace being committed you would have thought differently. Especially having your name in your local papers.

It's probably fair to say that if you make aggressive gestures then you should be prepared to back them up with personal violence, and as I'm not so prepared then I'll keep my hands to myself from now on.

You should had thought of that in the first place. It works both ways. Did you also consider that your actions might have ended you up in hospital. Others think the same way you do.

Mind you, I wonder what the real-life equivalent of driving up someone's arse at 80 is...

But that's how they drive on the motorways every day.

Some sensitive soul wished that I'd been rammed off the road,
to which I can only reply that you, pal, are part of the problem, and I earnestly suggest that you search the Yellow Pages for a good anger management course.

No, I disagree. YOU are the problem. It's you that needs the anger
management course. You are a danger to yourself and other road users. Do your insurance company know what you're like?

Some other guy wrote:

You already knew that the guy was a nutter because he was right up your arse. Then, after the incident, instead of just ignoring it, you thought you would overtake him again. Hello? Are you thick or what?

I overtook him again to try to get away from him because he was driving deliberately dangerously in front of me, periodically speeding up to 60 then slowing right down to 30. My biggest fear was that he would stop altogether, which on this stretch of road without a hard shoulder would have been extremely dangerous. I would suggest an anger management course to you as well, mate.

Of course you didn't consider stopping yourself, or turning off somewhere to cool down, did you? Or even doing a U turn.

So, let's get back to the nub of the matter. Does an offensive gesture by me justify deliberately dangerous driving by another which risks the lives of both myself and my blameless girlfriend? Does it justify said driver following us for over 10 miles, and quite possibly attacking us if I hadn't managed to lose him? If your answer to both these questions is yes, then I suggest you start smoking some good dope because you plainly need to chill out.

Of course not. However if you had not made the offending gesture in the first place nothing would have happened. Naturally I feel sorry for your girlfriend as an innocent bystander but the blame rests on you for initiating the whole sequence.

In all my years on the road (30-odd as cyclist and passenger, just a year as driver), my strong impression is that aggressive, irresponsible, and dangerous driving is usually committed by men (although I can think of a couple of women who drove like maniacs, including one white-knuckle ride that is burned into my memory).

 

My personal feeling is that this is a problem caused by masculinity ? we perceive ourselves to be in conflict/competition with other drivers and act as we're brought up to act, that is aggressively. When there is a direct conflict with another man driver, perhaps due to violent gestures, being cut up, or wotnot, it ceases to be a driving problem and becomes a man-man conflict. In real life, conflicts between men are resolved by the use, or threatened use, of violence, so it's not surprising that this ethos carries itself on to the road and that so many men get out of their cars to teach the other man 'a lesson'.

("I'll teach you not to be aggressive!" - SMACK!) . Now, if it was only the men themselves that got hurt there'd be no problem, but sadly this testosterone overdose (particulary in young lads) puts the lives of non-combatants at risk. Maybe we need a testosterone test instead of the breathalyser ;-(

I tend to put it all down to bad manners and frustration. Bad manners due to the lack of courtesy by both male and female drivers. The simple rule of the road these days is "get ahead at any cost".


The frustration comes into play when there are so many users on the road that you can't very well get to where you want to be at the time you would like to be there, because you left home later rather than earlier. Try planning your trips in advance taking into account the volumes of traffic you are likely to encounter and the time it's going to take you. Leave earlier and have a more relaxing drive.

Women, on the other hand, don't have this masculine baggage. For all their technical faults they are, IMO, by far the safer drivers, and when I've been offered lifts from people I've always chosen the woman driver. More often than not, when I've had to take a lift from a bloke I've wished that I'd walked home.

Again I'll have to agree and disagree with you both at the same time. There are some good male drivers and good female drivers, then again there is one hell of a lot of bad male drivers and bad female drivers. Many female drivers are unsure as to what the width of their car is, they are very hesitant also, and I think that the driving schools should stop training female drivers in little cars and start them off with Range Rovers. On the other hand there are quite a number of female HGV drivers.

I've reluctantly come to the conclusion that, as a man, you need to be prepared for violence from other men if you venture on to the road.

If you are going to prepare for it then I suggest you will meet it, but don't have your girlfriend with you next time. Or your children with you, if you have any. I've noticed that guys driving with their wives and children on board are very much less agressive on the roads and actually stop for Zebra crossings,especially in their own home towns.


Maybe things will improve as women make up a greater percentage of drivers, but I'm not going to risk it. So, those posters who think I'm a thicko idiot who deserves a kicking will be pleased to know that I'mgiving up driving, for all but essential purposes, and will either use PT, my pushbike, or prevail on my girlfriend to give me lifts. The benefits that driving brings aren't worth the risks of hospitalization or death just because some men have a hormone problem.

And you, it appears, are one of them.

My final, and very elementary, point, is that the purpose of driving is to get from A to B. That's all - the car's just a machine for that purpose. No one should have to suffer the threat of physical violence, or the stress of being shouted at, or have their lives put at risk, just because they want to get somewhere. Or maybe I'm just being naive.

I think that a course in defensive driving would pay you dividends. I'll agree that a car is just a metal box on wheels with a propulsion unit that will convey you safely to where ever it is
you want to go to. Its not the car that is dangerous it is the large nut behind the steering wheel that is at fault. It is all down to a question of attitude. If you start out with a bad temper and a chip on your shoulder somebody is going to knock it off for you.

Thanks to those few who have sympathised with me.

I sympathise with everybody who is on the public highway at the same time you are, and your girlfriend, I sympathise with her for having a pratt like you.

A Driver

Another driver.

If you'd like some advanced driving lessons or some coaching in
defensive driving methods then I'll happily volunteer.

 

 

 

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In the second posting two drivers are playing a game of one-upmanship to see who can insult the other at a higher level. The exchange begins with a statement by the first driver that someone else had pointed out that s/he was breaking the law by doing 80mph. This driver justifies her/his actions by remarking that the majority of individuals break the law at one point or another through speeding, thus projecting her/his speeding habits onto others. Then another user who seems to either be oppositional/defiant or just having a very bad day begins to belittle and berate the initial driver on his/her motives and actions during driving.

The other driver responds in the same manner, as each continues to argue the sense/nonsense of aggressive driving. While I agree with the points that are made about driving with "common sense" and not provoking violent reactions from fellow drivers, I do disagree with the tone of the writings. If the second driver?s purpose was to educate the first driver about her/his potentially disastrous driving habits, I feel that the information should have been conveyed in a helpful, friendly manner. If the person who is on the receiving end of advice is disrespectfully addressed, s/he will tend to filter the knowledge instead of intently absorbing the recommendations.

The general tone of this posting reflects a general tendency by some individuals to be condescending when attempting to provide assistance to others. As for the statements of the first driver, I felt that s/he employed techniques such as reaction formation, denial, and sublimation. For example, although this driver does not appreciate encountering situations in which an offensive gesture is given, s/he readily displayed an obscene gesture when angered. This driver also denies responsibility for a possible attack that might result from the offensive gesture and transforms his/her actions into socially acceptable ones by remarking that s/he was just trying to prevent an attack by driving aggressively.

 



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Newsgroup Posting 3:
Advocacy of Prejudice

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Subject: Re: Driving in Poland vs. Driving in The U.S.
Date: 1998/02/12
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Driving European Style! And there's also a more muscular version ? Eastern


European Style! Count the casualties per miles traveled and you'll appreciate the US and Canadian way. I used to be a sports driver, I'm still doing really fine in Warsaw, Berlin, Boston or LA, but when I walk with my 5 yr old daughter through the streets and intersections of Warsaw, I'm simply terrified she may be killed.

The majority of drivers there show a complete lack of imagination, over-confidence, or just a basic carelessness. I can assess rather fast when their cars are going to loose traction during breaking under given road conditions and predict when they'll decide to cut a corner or jump thru lanes. My daughter can't, and I'm sure many people on the streets can't do that, either. Who needs Darwinian traffic rules with no mercy for children and old?

Of course, building more and better roads, highways, separating people and bikers from the stream of cars, etc., are necessary things, but until all this happens a rapidly growing number of Eastern European drivers must learn to be more rather than less careful than their Western European and N. American friends.


During my last visit in Poland I noticed that Polish drivers unconsciously make their cars become lethal weapon every time they get out on the road.

The speeds that they reach in the city and risks that they take running red lights and cutting each other off is incredible. Going 100 km/h (about 60 mph) in the city is not only potentialy lethal but also suicidal. The streets in old Polish cities are relatively narrow and in case of emergency there is really no place to go to avoid a collision. There is so many fatal accidents in Poland, really bad ones, where cars are damaged beyond recognition. ...

North American drivers are the worst. A bunch of defensive wimps who obstruct drivers who want to get somewhere relatively fast and by that they cause accidents. In the snow, canadian drivers are absolutely lost. I think its all this stupid defensive crap they are taught that makes taotal women out of them behind the wheel.

Americans driving like women? Defensive ? Come to L.A. and you will change your mind in 48 hours. L.A. must have the biggests collection of nut cases behind the wheel on the planet. Especially those guys with loud, twin exchaust
"muscle cars." They will show you defensive driving.

It so happens that I drive in LA every single day. American drivers are OK but when a
fucking mexican gets behind the wheel I wanna empty my beretta in his brains no question about it. They dont respect medians, dividers, blinking lights, nothing. Sepulveda Pass (405 Freeway) can cause a heart attack and I am not surprised that many people in LA show symptoms of road rage.

Avoid the Pass, 110 freeway, 5 freeway.

 



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In the third posting, prejudice against "other" groups of drivers are heavily voiced. Eastern European, American, Mexican, and Asian driving styles and skills are ridiculed. While I agree that there are drivers of ALL ethnic backgrounds who are probably unskilled, I vehemently disagree with generalizing the experiences with a "few" uneducated drivers to the entire population of that ethnicity. In particular, I felt that the comments about making "total women" out of some drivers and calling the Mexican drivers an expletive word were gross indications of prejudice against those types of drivers. Unfortunately, I feel that this is a social norm which has taken hold in our current society?to hold "others" as our scapegoats so that blame will not be placed with ourselves or our own group.

 



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Newsgroup Posting 4:
Learning to Maintain "Safe" Driving Speeds

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Subject: Re: Beware Loaded Dump Trucks
Date: 1998/02/13


Whew...did I get a scare this morning on the way to work.

I hate to say it, but when I first got my Class A licence, I ended up in that same situation twice; once along highway 4 west of Stockton, CA; speed limit was 55 along this very small levee road; came around a blind curve loaded to about 50 tons (yes, *50 tons*, stupidly 10 tons over legal), came up on a car filled with kids STOPPED in the road waiting to make a turn! I locked up 16 wheels (the front two had ABS), kept it in a straight line, and watched those kids looking at me through the back window, terrified! I knew the entire time I could not stop in time, and since it was a levee road, there was no shoulder to turn to. The woman driving the car suddenly got one hellova clue, and barked rubber into a driveway off to the right, avoiding certain death. I was relieved to say the least! I had nightmares about this for months.

The other time I was empty (tractor and trailer empty still weigh about 18 tons, and because of the absense of a load, stopping traction sucks) comming out of Portland. Again, going too damn fast down I-5, I ran into totally stopped traffic in front of me, and got on the air brakes hard. Somehow I managed to keep it straight and in one lane, and boiled all 18 hides to within 2 feet of the semi in front of me. WHEW! I thought I was going to have a heart attack before I got it stopped, and I knew that if I ran into the trailer in front of me, my trailer would break loose, shove forward and go right through the cab where I sat,
killing me rather mercilessly.

My commercial driving skills have long since matured and no one on the road is in danger of that kind of crappy driving anymore, and
I don't "shag ass" to make my employer happy anymore. If they have to fire me because I don't drive fast enough, so be it. (I've been fired several times because I refused to exceed the 55-mph speed limit.) Most don't know that commercial drivers last only about 1 year in this business, and turnover rates are unbelievable; at any given time, 20-30% of semi drivers on the road are rookies with less than 1 year of experience.(generally, 5 years or more is considered "experienced").

Using your mirrors will save your bacon! You obviously knew what you were doing, and getting the hell out of the way of an out-of-control truck was a very wise move!


 



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The fourth posting is a reply to a previous message about a driver encountering a near-miss accident. The driver recounts two instances in which s/he nearly missed being involved in an accident. In the first case, the driver was about to rear-end a car filled with children when the woman driving the approached car took a turn, avoiding a certain collision. For the second case, the driver came within two-feet of being smashed between two trailers. In each of these occurrences, the driver was speeding prior to the prospect of an accident taking place. The writer concludes that s/he doesn?t currently drive at excessive speeds to please her/his employer because speeding is not worth the potential consequences. I wholeheartedly agree with the author?s conclusion, because it will not be worthwhile to reach your destination unless you can get there in the exact same condition as when you began your travels.

I feel that the comment by the driver reflects an individual personality trait of cautious driving. Based on the posting, it seems as if s/he became negatively classically conditioned to speeding through a couple of almost fatal accidents. The negative classical conditioning serves to provide positive reinforcement for the driver to not speed in the future as well as be an avoidance discriminative stimulus for situations in which exceeding the speed limit would be required.

 






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Newsgroup Posting 5:
Jekell/Hyde Driving Style

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Subject: Things that Peeve and Road Rage
Date: 1998/02/10
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An earlier thread talked about how while overtaking another driver ~5-10 MPH, the other driver will accelerate and match speed to pace you, thus preventing you from completing the pass. I see this all the time on 66 and 495. My explanation is this: I think some of these people don't even know they are doing it. They subconsciously speed up when they see you gaining, without being aware of accelerating. Then there's the opposite. Somebody passes you and then once they lose sight sight of you periphally, they slow and camp off your left front bumper.


All I can say is this: complete idiots.
My driving style is to make sure that at no time, if at all possible, do I impede anybody else's progress. I make a run up 66E 3-4 nights a week to visit my girlfriend, and have seen it all. There are some nights that I'm the fastest driver on the road. About 20% of other drivers will change lanes out of the left to let me by.

And that I believe is because the headlights on my Pathfinder are blinding them. Mind you, I am not tailgating, just driving with a normal spacing. The others sit and force me to pass on the right. This is a 4 lane highway!! Then there are other nights where I am not the fastest. I ALWAYS change lanes into the right to let someone by, if I happen to be in the left-most lane at all. The idiot that started the other thread received his well-deserved abuse.

I have very rarely been passed on the right, usually due to gaps in the middle lane occuring before me, and then the middle lane speeding up. If I find myself stuck in a right hand turn lane but want to go straight, I'll turn right anyway, just to avoid slowing up other traffic, or cutting somebody off. The other night, I saw a guy trying to make a turn, completely stuck out in the perpendicular lane. About five cars ahead of me and then myself had to veer in the other lane jsut to clear his bumper. I slowed, honked, and held up my hands as if to say " WTF? ", and he flicked me off. I just laughed, not believing that this guy would not put his car into reverse. My philosophy is this: I'm not the only car on the road, so I make sure to be as courteous as allowed to other drivers.


I don't tailgate, I let people in when they signal, I stay right unless passing, and don't impede other drivers.
However, that courtesy ENDS when it is not extended back to me. I have been known to tap brakes when 'gated, box in some asshole who previously cut me off, told people they were idiots at stoplights after pulling off some astoundingly stupid move, etc,etc. I know I'll be flamed for this, but there are times when I do lose my temper, and pursue things a little far. Scariest?


Blacked-out, rusting Suburban in D.C., when
I slowed to a crawl after being tailgated at a distance of perhaps 3 feet on a one lane road. He pulled into a 7-11 to get around me, so I sped up. Then he backed off a little bit. Then he turned off with no further incident. Afterwards, I realized it was extremely dumb for me to do this, but I let my temper get the best of me. You see, I don't do that sort of thing to other people, but when someone starts it with me, I can't help but want to finish it.


Let me tell you,
I almost always win. So if you travel 66E on week nights and squat in the left lane, and notice a Green Pathfinder travelling faster than you, get out of my way first chance you got. And