Subject: Re: why are manila drivers maniacs?
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:03:14 -1000
Your observation shows different perspectives of the same situation. A friend of mine who regularly drove in Manila told me upon first driving in the US that she was deathly afraid of driving here, but, that she had to drive because it was necessary to go to a job interview and then to take the job. I commented that I could not understand why she was afraid. Having experienced Manila traffic only a few times and being afraid of driving in Manila myself, I thought that anyone who could drive in Manila would be fearless about driving in the US. She said much the same thing that you did. In Manila, there were no rules to follow other than common sense and defensive driving. Since she was not used to following traffic rules, she would never know whether or not she was following the US traffic rules and whether or not she would get into trouble with the law. Therefore her initial driving experiences were completely frightening because she never knew whether she was driving properly (other than a few basic and obvious rules like red and green traffic lights) or whether she was attracting the attention of other drivers and the police.
Her comments (being totally unexpected) showed that differences among
different viewpoints are the spice of life.
Perhaps you have forgotten that the problem could be overpopulation?
Other than that, I find Manila driving to be rather enjoyable - it is driving in the United States that is tough. Too many laws that you have to follow. In Manila, the laws of gross tonnage completely apply - the bigger you are, the more right of way you have. In a city where overpopulation is a problem, Filipinos are not hindered by having to stay within some sort of lane boundary, if there is space the Filipino driver will make good use of that space and create more lanes to allow traffic flow. Beyond that, traffic in Manila is quite heavy which does not allow for maniacal driving as you might claim, Renowl. Overall, I have found that Manila drivers tend to be very good drivers and highly alert. While I do see a few fender benders when I am there, it does not compare to the amount, nor the severity of accidents here in the United States.
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I think in this newsgroup, people were trying to decifer which place is the scariest to drive, Manila or the United States. In my opinion, it seems as though it is scarier to drive in Manila because there are no rules to follow. At least in the United States, we have set rules that we must abide by. However, I never drove on the mainland so my decision is biased. I think that it depends where you drive on the mainland. Actually, it's scary to drive anywhere that isn't familiar to you. This newsgroup is somewhat related to attitude formation because people are expressing there thoughts and attitudes about driving in these two different places.
Subject: of chickens and roads
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:57:38 GMT
Hi,
This has been circulating via email. Enjoy.............the age old question .
. .Why did the chicken cross the road?
KINDERGARTEN TEACHER: To get to the other side.
PLATO: For the greater good.
ARISTOTLE: It is the nature of chickens to cross roads.
KARL MARX: It was an historical inevitability.
TIMOTHY LEARY: Because that's the only trip the establishment would let it take.
SADDAM HUSSEIN: This was an unprovoked act of rebellion and we were quite justified in dropping 50 tons of nerve gas on it.
JACK NICHOLSON: 'cause it f.....g wanted to. That's the f.....g reason.
RONALD REAGAN: I forget.
CAPTAIN JAMES T. KIRK: To boldly go where no chicken has gone before.
HIPPOCRATES: Because of an excess of phlegm in its pancreas.
ARTHUR ANDERSEN CONSULTANT: Deregulation of the chicken's side of the road was
threatening its dominant market position. The chicken was faced with
significant challenges to create and develop the competencies required for the
newly competitive market. Andersen Consulting, in a partnering relationship
with the client, helped the chicken by rethinking its physical distribution
strategy and implementation processes. Using the Poultry Integration Model
(PIM), Andersen helped the chicken use its skills, methodologies, knowledge,
capital and experiences to align the chicken's people, processes and
technology in support of its overall strategy within a Program Management
framework. Andersen Consulting convened a diverse cross- spectrum of road
analysts and best chickens along with Anderson consultants with deep skills in
the transportation industry to engage in a two-day itinerary of meetings in
order to leverage their personal knowledge capital, both tacit and explicit,
and to enable them to synergize with an enterprise- wide value framework
across the continuum of poultry cross-median processes. The meeting was held
in a park-like setting, enabling and creating an impactful environment which
was strategically based, industry-focused, and built upon a consistent, clear,
and unified market message and aligned with the chicken's mission, vision, and
core values. This was conductive towards the creation of a total business
integration solution. Andersen Consulting helped the chicken change to become
more successful.
LOUIS FARRAKHAN: The road, you see, represents the black man. The chicken
'crossed' the black man in order to trample him and keep him down.
MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.: I envision a world where all chickens will be free to
cross roads without having their motives called into question.
MOSES: And God came down from the Heavens, and He said unto the chicken, "Thou
shalt cross the road." And the chicken crossed the road, and there was much
rejoicing.
FOX MULDER: You saw it cross the road with your own eyes. How many more
chickens have to cross the road before you believe it?
RICHARD M. NIXON: The chicken did not cross the road. I repeat, the chicken
did NOT cross the road.
MACHIAVELLI: The point is that the chicken crossed the road. Who cares why?
The end of crossing the road justifies whatever motive here was.
JERRY SEINFELD: Why does anyone cross a road? I mean, why doesn't anyone ever
think to ask, What the heck was this chicken doingwalking around all over the
place, anyway?"
FREUD: The fact that you are at all concerned that the chicken crossed the
road reveals your underlying sexual insecurity.
BILL GATES: I have just released the new Chicken Office 2000, which will not
only cross roads, but will lay eggs, file your important documents, and
balance your checkbook.
OLIVER STONE: The question is not, "Why did the chicken cross the road?"
Rather, it is, "Who was crossing the road at the same time, whom we overlooked
in our haste to observe the chicken crossing?"?
DARWIN: Chickens, over great periods of time, have been naturally selected in
such a way that they are now genetically disposed to cross roads.
EINSTEIN: Whether the chicken crossed the road or the road moved beneath the
chicken depends upon your frame of reference.
BUDDHA: Asking this question denies your own chicken nature.
RALPH WALDO EMERSON: The chicken did not cross the road .. it transcended it.
ERNEST HEMINGWAY: To die. In the rain.
COLONEL SANDERS: I missed one?
The reason why I picked this newsgroup was to show that there are many jokes out there that has to do with the road. This is a commom joke about "Why did the chicken cross the road". This person has thought of different answers from various entertainers and philosophers. I thought that it was funny to read some of the answers that he came up with. I think that it is good to come up with these jokes because it lightens the intense discussion of road rage. However, this doesn't mean that road rage should be taken lightly.
Subject: Almost Fatal Attraction
Date: 20 Feb 1998 13:47:39 GMT
When they
mention Vicker Switch road, they are talking about a winding and narrow back
road. Peppers Ferry Road is called *death road* because it is a two-lane road
where the speed limit is 55 mph with only one or two short stretches to pass
on ( people get impatient and pass on the double line and there have been a
lot of deaths over the past few years). So this chase was dangerous all the
way around (not to mention the 357). (-: [ Babyface]
I was very shocked to read this newsgroup because they talk about a "death road" which is a two lane road that rarely gives the opportunity to pass on. I think the writer was trying to say that these roads should be improved because there are impatient drivers out there that will try something daring. I think that this newsgroup may have something to do with self-witnessing. This person may have known someone or heard of a lot of cases where people died because of these types of roads. I think that this shouldn't be taken lightly. The government (State and Federal) should research more about the road types and stop constructing the "death roads".
Subject: Re: traffic circles & the right of
way
Date: 16 Feb 1998 21:40:45 GMT
Is there a rule of thumb about who has the right of way in a traffic circle or >does it depend on the circle? I live in NJ and I heard that the vehicle in the circle has the right of way but I have come across situations that seem to suggest somthing else.
Must be a state-dependent thing. The few traffic circles I've encountered in
California (there's a well-known one in downtown Orange) give the right-
of-way to traffic already in the circle; traffic entering the circle must
yield.
Massachusetts has many traffic circles (known there as "rotaries"); there, traffic entering the circle has the right-of-way; traffic already in the circle must yield.
I haven't driven enough in NJ to recall a traffic circle, but I got mixed up on those jug-handle left turns every time. I guess they're a good idea if you're used to them, but I missed a lot of turns.
In this newsgroup, the topic is traffic circles.
The writers are trying to figure out who has the right of way when it comes to
these circles. I wouldn't personally know because I don't think that we have
any on this island. However, I am suspecting that these circles must cause a
lot of traffic, confusion and road rage. I think that the government should
educate their drivers about the proper ettiquette of driving in these circles.
I thought that this was an interesting newsgroup because I didn't know what
they were.
Subject: Re: Load Rage kills 19 in Dallas.
Date: 17 Feb 1998 03:36:03 GMT
We are all too familiar with a dangerous problem that plagues the biways and highways of todays transportation system known as "road rage" We have seen the reports on 20/20, 60 Minutes, 48 Hours, and 101 Dalmations. But, are you familiar with the dangers of "load rage", a problem that has been increasing amongs today's youth since the introduction of the Sony Playstation? A Dallas headline today read: "Boy flips while playing video game and commits load rage, killing 19". This terrible violence must stop.
Gives new meaning to the phrase "lock and load".
The following story reviels how load rage can stike without warning. Johnny, a normally timid young man, sat and waited anxiously for his newly rented video game to load. The time passed by, 3 seconds....5 seconds....10 seconds......3 minutes 42 seconds...and so on. Johnny stared blankly at the little moving bar that displayed the current load status. His drool hardened as he sat there waiting, his controller got heavy in his hands. All of a sudden, as if Johnny were possesed by some demonic force, he lifted his controller high above in the air and mumbled words of giberish at the television set. He thrust his controller at his game system in a downward stabbing motion, killing it instantly.
Best done with the Baracuda or other pointy ended controllers.
He then grabbed Fluffy, the family cat, by its tail. As he held down the defensless feline, he yelled at it while hitting it in the head with the blunt end of a memory pak. Fluffy, in a mixture of fear and surprise, passed out. Johnny, still enraged from his load time from hell, turned his controller on himself, and he used it.
Although the above story is tragic, we must all learn from it. The next time the loading of a game gets you enraged, please, don't vent your anger on the cat or a brother or sister for that matter. Stop, put the controller down, and count to ten. It's just not worth it.
Luckily, the industry has heard the cry from millions of incidents like Johnny's around the World. They have implimented a standard warning system that states the exact amount of load time for a particular game must be displayed on the box. This system also includes an estimated rage meter that predicts the anger you will likely experience from the load time. So, if you know that you are prone to episodes of "load rage", stay away from games with estimated load times (elt) of 2 or more minutes. Too many family pets and siblings are being victimized by this terrible act of violence.
Load rage used
to be a much worse problem back in the days of the Atari 400. Wasn't that when
all those McDonalds shootings occured? [ Steve ]
I think that this writer for this newsgroup was rather sneaky. He talks about road rage at the beginning of his entry but sneaks into "load rage" which has to do with the loading of video games. I think that seems a bit ridiculous. I guess his point is that load rage is an upcoming rage that has been affecting the United States. I think the relationship between road rage and load rage is impatience. Wherever you go, there are impatient people that will rage about everything. It is unavoidable.
Subject: Re: Don't Gray And Drive
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 20:24:58 GMT
The old people have LOST that ability, and your position seems to advocate turning a blind eye to those dangerously impaired drivers. Really should read before you post, his position was that everyone should have rigourous tests, not just one group, which seems fair enough to me. As he pointed out, you don't have to be old to be impaired. Just because you are more likely to become impaired while old doesn't mean we should ignore some one's impairment cause they are not old.
Ead the post, Tigress, and (speaking of reading before posting) you might recall that I expressed support for more rigorous driver testing. But IMHO, age-impairment is likely to *accelerate* in very old drivers. we seen a number of my elderly friends and relatives become age-impaired (as far as driving is concerned) over a period of just a few years. Clearly, that *accelerated* degradation is much less likely to happen to a younger person.
IOW, I support more rigorous testing, but I believe that very old people should be tested *more often* than younger people, so that accelerated degradation in driving competence can be detected. Legislators will enforce 40 mph speed limits before they take away the right to drive from their constituents.
Sounds like wishful thinking to me...
No, sounds like reality, like it or not. I bet you they would rather enforce 40 mph limits rather than take away the right to drive from the people most likely to vote for them (I thinkt he statistic says more percentage of older people vote than anyone else).
I think you're wrong. For one thing, no one has the "right to drive", and arguing for a right to allow incompetent drivers on public roads seems *reckless* to me.
Also, the elderly may vote in higher percentages (or may not, I don't know), but I do know that extremely low, "incompetent- friendly" speed limits would probably incur the wrath of ALL voters except for those who are both incompetent and selfish.
We've been down the road of artificially low speed limits before, and as you may have noticed, those limits were *rejected*. I don't know how anyone could think *even lower* limits could return, SOLELY for the purpose of allowing DANGEROUSLY INCOMPETENT persons to operate motor vehicles as part of some mythical "right to drive".
The results of
such legislation (if enforced) would be wasted time and less efficient
transportation for ALL people and ALL commercial traffic, not to mention
mind-blowing traffic jams in most urban areas. And for what? So senile,
half-blind drivers can kill fewer people when they (inevitably) crash? It'll
never happen, Tigress. -- C. Tomlinson
The writers in this newsgroup are arguing about elderly people and their driving ability. What I thought to be funny of this newsgroup was this quote, "I bet you they would rater reinforce 40 mph limits rather than take away the right to drive from the people most likely to vote for them". I believe that to be so true. Everything has to do with politics and how it will help each politician. However, for the benefit of the elderly, I think that they should have to renew their license more often than the average driver to check on their eye sight and their ability to control a car. I think that it is only far to the other drivers on the road.
Subject: road rage
article... is funny as hell!! - its long though
From: "mike"
Hey all,
I know this doesn't belong on this newsgroup, but I thought it was funny as hell. I think it is decribing my driving! Read on...
Mike
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Road Rage
Aggressive driving is America's car sickness du jour. But is there a cure for thinking everyone else on the road is an idiot?
By A. Ferguson
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It's a jungle out there. well, not really: it's worse than a jungle. It's a stretch of roadway anywhere in America, and in place of the ravenous tigers and stampeding rhinos and slithery anacondas are your friends and neighbors and co-workers, that nice lady from the church choir and the cheerful kid who bags your food at the local Winn Dixie--even Mom and Dad and Buddy and Sis. They're in a hurry. And you're in their way. So step on it! That light is not going to get any greener! Move it or park it! Tarzan had it easy. Tarzan didn't have to drive to work.
It may be morning in America--crime down, incomes up, inflation nonexistent--but it's high noon on the country's streets and highways. This is road recklessness, auto anarchy, an epidemic of wanton carmanship. Almost everyone from anywhere has a story about it, as fresh as the memory of this morning's commute. And no wonder. Incidents of "road rage" were up 51% in the first half of the decade, according to a report from the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety. Some occurrences are grisly enough to make the headlines. Last year a high-speed racing duel on the George Washington Memorial Parkway outside Washington killed two innocent commuters, including a mother of two, traveling in the opposite direction.
More often the new ethos of road anarchy manifests itself in the mundane: the unsignaled lane change by the driver next to you, the guy who tailgates you if you go too slow, and the person ahead who brakes abruptly if you go too fast--each transgression accented by a flip of the bird or a blast of the horn. Sixty-four percent of respondents to a recent Coalition for Consumer Health and Safety poll say people are driving less courteously and more dangerously than they were five years ago.
And the enemy is us. Take a ride with "Anne," a 40-year-old mother of three who would rather we not use her real name, as she steers her 2 1/2-ton black Chevy Suburban out of her driveway on a leafy street in residential Washington. The clock on the dashboard reads 2:16. She has 14 minutes to make it to her daughter's game. Within a block of her house she has hit 37 m.p.h., taking stop signs as suggestions rather than law. She has a lot on her mind. "I'm not even thinking of other cars," Anne admits cheerfully as she lays on the horn. An oldster in an econo-box ahead of her has made the near fatal mistake of slowing at an intersection with no stop sign or traffic light. Anne swears and peels off around him.
Anne has a clean driving record with scarcely even a fender bender to her name. But when she takes to the highway, even her kids join the fun. "Make him move over!" they shout as she bears down on a 55-m.p.h. sluggard in the fast lane. She flashes her headlights. The kids cheer when the unlucky target gives in and moves aside. Back in town, Anne specializes in near misses. "Jeez, I almost hit that woman," she chirps, swinging the Suburban into the right lane to pass a car turning left at an intersection. She makes the game two minutes late. "I don't think I'm an aggressive driver," Anne says. "But there are a lot of bad drivers out there."
Too true, too true. But the example of Anne--prosperous, well-adjusted Anne, loving wife and mother--raises the overarching question of road anarchy. Residents of late 20th century America are arguably the luckiest human beings in history: the most technologically pampered, the richest, the freest things on two legs the world has ever seen. Then why do we drive like such jerks?
The most common answer: What do you mean we, Kemo Sabe? Of course, you don't drive like a jerk. Neither does Anne--just ask her. Very few drivers admit to being an obnoxious road warrior. There seem to be only three types of people on the road these days: the insane (those who drive faster than you), the moronic (those who drive slower than you) and...you. But this merely confuses the issue. Surely someone is doing all that speeding, tailgating, headlight flashing and abrupt lane changing, not to mention the bird flipping and horn blasting. There's enough in the phenomenon of road rage to keep a faculty-loungeful of social theorists thinking deeply for years--or at least until the grant money runs out.
That won't be any time soon. With millions of victims and hardly any confessed perpetrators, road recklessness has become the car-related sickness du jour, deposing (for the moment) drunk driving from its long-standing reign. Like drunk driving, the issue has energized America's vast machinery of social concern. The Federal Government is spending money on research, Congress has held hearings, law-enforcement authorities have held seminars and developed special enforcement programs, and psychologists are treating it as a genuine, stand-alone disorder. There are Websites devoted to the topic, including one--the Database of Unsafe Driving--that allows Web users to enter not only an account of their experience with an aggressive driver but also the "insane moron's" l
I think that the writer wanted to share some important facts of the importance of road rage. He included some statistics, thoughts and information about road rage. In this newsgroup, the writer included a quote from Dr. Driving himself; "Driving and habitual road rage have becme virtually inseparable". The statistic that shocked me the most was that 53% of aggressive drivers were females. Another statement that shocked me was the fact that very few drivers admit to being an obnoxious road warrior.
Subject: Re: People Are Mean
Date: 1997/12/29
Sorry, Jason, but if oine defines Road Rage as drivers getting angry and behaving overtly aggressively towards a particular driver, it's very real.
So is "Movie Ticket Line Rage," "Calling the Phone Company Rage," "Ordering Fast Food Breakfast at 10:01am Rage," "Sidewalk Strolling Rage," "Bike Lane Rage," and my fav, "Escalator at the Mall Rage."
Fact is, nothing has changed. We're still the same people, we just like to come up with stupid buzzphrases. And Road Rage is one that people are using to describe everything from flashing your headlamps to launching A.I.M. Sidewinder missiles out of your foglamp openings.
I agree completely, Road Rage is not the catch-all for any accident. If you were to check back aver the years I am sure you would find plenty of examples of this type of behavior. Its nothing new, that is not to say it is OK, but we have all been subjected to a media barrage that has clouded the line on what is the result of RAGE and what is the result of poor driving habits.
AND I DON'T EVEN COMMUTE. I get on the freeways quite seldom lately.
This says volumes. A Merge-O-Phobe!
I do commute, every day! In and around the Boston area all the time. I have aslo commuted around Atalanta and Washington DC. NEVER EVER have I seen a gun pulled, I have seen plenty of examples of aggressive driving, and of course some of these people should be arrested, but I have also seen people swerving lane to lane talking on the cell phone, falling asleep at the wheel, and for no obvoius reasons at all. I don't know about you but I hate it when Ii get so enRAGEd that I fall asleep.
Then there are all the shootings. If that isn't road rage, what is it? What "all the shootings?"
Again, lots of Driving, and nary a bullet yet. I agree what "All the shootings?" I would actually like to see the statistics on this. How many car accidents really resulted from a on-the-highway shootout last year.
And what planet do you live on?
I live on the planet where I move to the side when I see someone come running down the sidewalk at me. I don't want to get hit, so I step aside. I also step aside when people moving faster than me come up behind me on those motorized walkways you find in airports. Gee that was easy. Why is it so hard or different on the highway? remeber that well use slogan "drive defensively". Y'know, don't put yourself in a dangerous situation on the road. If someone else is driving poorly, GET OUT OF THE WAY!! Call the cops if you want, but put distance between you and that person. Don't police the roads with your car by blocking a lane. Don't be the reason that someone swerve through traffic (Backwards logic, I know, but if a person is already being irrational, why provoke them) move aside when it is possible, and let them through. Let them go down the road and speed past a cop. The answer to poor driving is not passive vigilanteism, its better education. And always remember, EVERYONE (you, me, everybody) thinks that they are a good/better driver. We all cannot be right.
I for one would like to check out the lunar buggy that's been left on the moon. I wonder if it still works?
Come to think of it, so would I! Batteries might be dead by now though. Don't
know if the solar cells would still be functional for recharge.
In this newsgroup, the writers are arguing what should be considered road rage and what shouldn't. One of the writers is saying "We're sill the same people, we just like to come up with stupid buzzphrases". I thought that to be a little ignorant because road rage is a very serious topic that should be taken lightly. The other writer is saying to drive defensively and not put yourself into dangerous positions on the road. I don't think that anyone puts themselves in dangerous situations on purpose. Each side of the conversation make very interesting comments about road rage and they should both be put into account.
Subject: First moves against road scum
Date: 1998/01/28
On USENET I've
actually seen people "defending" tailgating and other stupid aggressive
behavior (LOSER behavior) on the road. People who exhibit this kind of driving
behavior exist to form the back side of the IQ bell curve. They not only
pollute the road environment but are frequently a danger to others. In the
Phoenix area it's gotten bad enough that the first steps are being proposed to
deal with the problems they cause for decent society. [ Dave Simpson ]
The writer for this newsgroup is expressing his anger about the idiots whom defend tailgating and other aggressive driving behaviors. I think that this says something about our society. In someone's eyes, there's always going to be a good and bad of a situation. I can't believe that their are people out their supporting this kind of attitude.
"Road Rage" Bills Target Overly Aggressive Drivers
The Arizona Republic Wednesday, January 28, 1998
If there's one thing worse than crawling along on a jam-packed Valley freeway at rush hour, it's watching the clown behind you drive inches from your back bumper before swerving to the shoulder to pass. But don't reach for your weapon. Grab the car phone and call the cops. Under two proposals that picked up powerful legislative endorsements Tuesday, drivers could be cited by police for driving too aggressively. The measures are designed to cut down on the growing carnage on the roads caused by "road rage." One bill would define aggressive driving and set up stiff penalties, including a 30-day license suspension for first-time offenders. The second would make it illegal to drive across the white-lined triangles at freeway ramps, known as "gore" points.
The word is derived from a triangular pattern, as on a piece of land or a garment, not from a description of an accident scene. DPS Officer Doug Knutson was killed earlier this month when a pickup plowed into him as he stood in a gore point on the Red Mountain Freeway. Proposals designed to curb "road rage" "While we cannot undo the tragedies of the past, we can enact laws to change our future," Gov. Jane Hull said at a news conference Tuesday morning. "The issue of aggressive driving is serious. And this bill will leave no doubt about it." Hull was joined by House Speaker Jeff Groscost in supporting the proposal. Senate President Brenda Burns is generally supportive of the bills, but hasn't had a chance to review the details. Supporters say the aggressive-driving legislation gives police new and needed tools to prevent road rage. Drivers could be charged with aggressive driving if they are cited for a combination of any three of the following charges:
á Reckless driving.
á Excessive speed.
á Passing on the right or on the shoulder.
á Tailgating.
á Failure to signal lane changes, improper lane changes, or failure to signal.
á Failure to yield the right of way.
á Running a red light or stop sign.
A first-time offender would face a misdemeanor
charge. But a second conviction would be a Class 6 felony with an automatic
license suspension of one year. Alberto Gutier, director of the Governor's
Office of Community and Highway Safety, pointed to a AAA study showing that
people are more afraid of road rage than drunken driving. Nationally, the
American AUtomobile Association reports that aggressive drivers have caused
10,037 incidents from 1990 to 1996, with 218 people being killed. "The problem
with aggressive driving is that it leads to road rage," Gutier said. Sen. Tom
Freestone, R-Mesa, who is co-sponsoring the bills, agreed. The cost of the
proposals is unknown. By making it illegal to drive across gore points, the
state would have to re-stripe freeway ramps using yellow paint instead of
white. Hull said money can be found to pay for the changes.
The writer in this newsgroup is talking about the different bills that have been proposed to eliminate aggressive driving on the road. Some of these bills include, citations given out by the police and a one year suspension of license for first-time offenders. The writer also lists some guidelines of aggressive driving charges. It ranges from reckless driving to running a red light or stop sign. A surprising fact from this newsgroup is that more people are afraid of road rage than they are of drunken driving. Another startling fact is that aggressive drivers have caused 10,037 incidents from 1990 to 1996, with 218 people being killed. I thought that these fact were astounding.